Prizefight
week of October 22Microsoft Windows 7 vs. Apple Snow Leopard
Windows 7 vs. Snow Leopard
The contenders:
Microsoft Windows 7 vs. Apple Snow Leopard
It's not often that the two most popular operating systems get major updates so close to each other, so we couldn't resist throwing them into a cage match together. Already we can hear some of you screaming that Snow Leopard isn't a major update--we know this one's personal! But is Windows 7 nothing more than "Vista done right"?
Microsoft's severe stumble with Vista aside, Windows 7 clearly positions the operating system for the future, with a new look that integrates heavily with the new features. Snow Leopard, too, is geared toward the future, saving you space on your hard drive and including some useful new tricks that Microsoft still lacks.
The judges for this Prizefight hardly shy away from telling you what they think about software, webware, and the operating systems you need to get to all those goodies. Now, everybody's got their opinion on the great Apple versus Microsoft debate, but for a few minutes, suspend your disbelief as they explain which operating system is better and why.
Round 1: Interface and design
Round 1: We start off by checking out the layout, look, and feel of each operating system. Microsoft's come a long way with Windows 7, even when compared with Windows Vista. But how do the great strides it's made hold up against Snow Leopard, which tweaks an already baked and well-received GUI?| player | Josh | Rafe | Seth | the winner |
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional) |
4In many ways, Windows 7 still looks a whole lot like Vista, but the new Taskbar with its jump lists and pinning make the OS much easier to use if you've got less screen real estate (like on a laptop). This is especially true if you like to keep a lot of applications running. | 4Windows 7 has major improvements over Vista, like a new icon bar and more flexible window management, but still feels a little cluttered in comparison to the Mac. It hurts to use Aero Shake. While both are really good OSes, personally I am more productive on Windows than on a Mac. | 5Although the Aero theme is from Vista, the features are almost entirely all new. Aero Snap, Aero Peek, and the previews in the touch-screen-friendly Taskbar make this the best-looking Windows yet. However, if you're stuck with Windows 7 Starter, you're going to wonder what all the fuss is about. | 4.3 |
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard |
4Like Windows 7 is to Vista, Snow Leopard is simply an evolution of Leopard. The best new feature is Dock Expose, which has drastically improved how easy it is to move files between folders and applications. | 4Gorgeous and fluid, although a bit inconsistent. The basics are very straightforward and there are lots of slick and useful UI extras, like Expose and Spaces. Cover Flow for pictures is great. But many of the coolest desktop features aren't obvious. You need a guru by your side to get you beyond beginner level. | 5Just focusing on what's new in Snow Leopard, it's hard to argue that improvements made to Expose, the Dock, and Preview are anything less than cool. Windows 7 could use a large-preview option, especially on laptop monitors. | 4.3 |
Round 2: Reliability and stability
Round 2: Is your operating system more than just a pretty face? It's a close call here, with Windows facing an uphill climb against the ghost of Vista. The judges look at crashes, lags, hanging network issues, and data loss. This match-up is definitely Apple's to lose...| player | Josh | Rafe | Seth | the winner |
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional) |
4In my month or so of using the RTM build of Windows 7, it hasn't had a system crash once. Like any other version of Windows though, this varies depending on the third software you're using and what kind of hardware you're running it on. | 5Sturdy, reliable, hasn't crashed on me or hiccuped once. It also updates itself when needed. | 4After 10 months playing with the beta, release candidate, and release to manufacturing versions of Windows 7, I've not had one crash or data-loss experience. However, that's not to say it's not possible. | 4.3 |
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard |
4I've been using Snow Leopard since it was released, longer than I've been using Windows 7. I've had three crashes, but traced them all to a beta driver for a new gadget I was testing. I still get spinning Beach Balls of Doom, mostly when trying to access networked drives. | 4Have not had a single OS crash, but the Beach Ball of Wait pops up more than I would like. | 4Snow Leopard's launch hiccups, most notably related to guest account data loss, were quickly fixed. But you can't ignore that they happened. | 4 |
Round 3: Performance and compatibility
Round 3: The most technical round of this Prizefight, Dong Ngo from CNET Labs has provided us with extensive benchmarking on both operating systems. Judges also looked at the kinds of hardware that supported the OS.| player | Josh | Rafe | Seth | the winner |
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional) |
4Windows 7 is still Windows, which means you can run a giant catalog of software. It's definitely a leaner beast than Vista was, which is most prevalent when it comes time to start up and shut down. For me, both of these were noticeably faster than the similarly used build of Vista that came on the same machine. | 3Feels snappier than Vista, but in my testing, that might just be due to the Windows 7 installation being newer. Start-up is not even close to as fast I hoped it would be. | 4Starting up and shutting down is faster on Snow Leopard, according to our benchmarks. However, wake-from-hibernation times have been nearly identical, and gamers will appreciate Windows 7's strong gaming support. | 3.7 |
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard |
4Snow Leopard doesn't feel any faster than Leopard, but some of the improved apps like Mail and Finder are much snappier. I had many problems getting some older apps to work with the new OS--something that's become less of an issue as developers update their apps. | 4Can't argue with the numbers. In a fresh install, OS X is faster to do most things. Historically OS X installations don't suffer performance degradation as badly as Windows setups do. | 4It's hard to argue with those faster boot and shutdown scores. Snow Leopard feels faster than Leopard and the Boot Camp drivers let you run Windows 7. Legacy users are not likely to be thrilled to have to get new hardware to run the new OS, but Apple's hardware path is nothing new. | 4 |
Round 4: Unique features
Round 4: What's it to you? Despite the similarities, Windows 7 and Snow Leopard both do things that the other one can't. The judges take a look at what those things are and make a good-faith effort to compare them as fairly as possible.| player | Josh | Rafe | Seth | the winner |
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional) |
4The new window-pinning feature is the cat's meow. It's a nice alternative to giving applications the entire screen, and the way you invoke it is fast, simple, and intuitive. The Aero Shake feature is pretty neat, too, although I prefer just keeping all my windows maximized. | 3Improved Paint app and new .DOCX-writing WordPad are nice. I like the screen clipping and recording tools. Home Group fails, since it's limited to Win 7 PCs, and I miss Windows Movie Maker--so sue me. | 4Windows 7 is so much better than XP and Vista, it's actually fun to use. Aero Snap, the new theme packs and customizations, and the seriously robust desktop search that finds the search terms in your documents are stand-outs. | 3.7 |
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard |
5Dock Expose is just plain useful once you know how to use it. It's also really nice to get a full-size preview of each window while it's in Expose by using Quick Look. I'm awarding Snow Leopard a bonus point, too, since it actually gives you back hard-drive space if you're upgrading from an older OS. For me that number was 6GB, which on a laptop is a big deal. | 4QuickTime has basic editing features now--very nice. The screen-recording app is also good. Safari is a slicker browser than IE. Mail.app is very good, and works with Exchange now. Biggest difference: a Mac can run Windows, via Boot Camp. Your move, Microsoft. | 5Snow Leopard comes with more tools out of the box: MS Exchange compatibility, iTunes, iPhoto, Mail, and iMovie. These are high-quality tools, too; if they sucked, Windows would have the edge here. | 4.7 |
Round 5: Value, value, value
Round 5: Going into our final round, Apple's got a slight edge over Microsoft. The judges are looking at price, but also at how that price reflects the features, performance, design, and stability you're getting.| player | Josh | Rafe | Seth | the winner |
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional) |
3Windows 7 is a great OS, but its pricing model continues to be overly complex and expensive. Users who shelled out the full or upgrade price for Vista just a few years ago need to pay anywhere from $120 to $260 for a license, depending on when they bought Vista and what version of Windows 7 they want. It gets even more spendy for people who are buying the full version. | 2If consumers didn't have a bad taste in their mouths from Vista, Windows 7 would be called Vista SP2 and priced like it: free or really cheap. It is a fine product, but it's overpriced for what it really is. | 5I disagree with Rafe that what you get out of Windows 7 is merely "Vista done right." There's a lot going on that couldn't come with Vista, such as multitouch support for touch screens. However, it's not cheap unless you look for deals. Students can get it for as low as $30. | 3.3 |
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard |
4If the price of admission were $129, I'd be giving Snow Leopard a 2 here, but since Apple is letting those who had the previous OS (and secretly Tiger, too) upgrade for just $29, it's a no-brainer. It's got enough little tweaks and improvements to warrant the price tag. | 3Unlike Windows 7, you cannot buy OS X Snow Leopard as a stand-alone product. And as a consumer upgrade, Snow Leopard doesn't offer users all that much over Leopard. But just $29? It's a small price to pay for a performance boost. | 4Snow Leopard costs $30 for one computer or $50 for five, and all new machines come with Snow Leopard. I disagree with Microsoft's assertion that Snow Leopard is nothing more than a service pack, but it's definitely not a fully new operating system, either. | 3.7 |
The winner is...
Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional)
3.9
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard
4.1
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Microsoft Windows 7 (Professional)
Apple Mac OS X Snow Leopard


The loser: OS X SL aka the new alpha service pack for OS X Leopard
Performance and compatibility is also a farce, for the same reasons. Snow Leopard runs on a lineup of about 10 computers, all of which Apple sells. Windows runs on any computer you can build that meets the minimum requirements, meaning that not only does it run on millions of differently configured computers, but it also runs thousands of games and applications on those machines. OS X's software library is pitifully small compared to what is available for Windows.
It's too bad nobody at CNET had the guts to bring up these finer points, and instead just jumped on the bandwagon, singing praise for the OS they want to win, and not the one that actually delivers the finer product. Even Windows XP, released almost a decade ago, beats Snow Leopard in the categories I mentioned above. This article is a sham.
Face it, MS reign is not strong. Too many people have seen the light.
This so called prizefight shows only that Rafe likes Macs, something he makes clear in all his shows. Like Fred says before me this prizefight is a sham.
1. So what SL runs only on macs? Not my fault you don't got the cash to spring for one. Don't hate. Seriously, windows runs on all PC- including macs. But so what? And (again i say this) APPLE DOESN"T MAKE LOW END PC's. That means Apple will NEVER focus it's attention on the low end. Ever. The best you can get from them in a Mac Mini. So stop with the BS that Windows PC's are cheaper... cheaper = less value. Take a look at Falcon Northwest or Alienware for higher end windows. They also don't sell PC's for $400.00.
2. True... Windows has a huge software library. And it beats Mac's hands down in games. But guess what, I can run ANY game I want on my Mac using Boot Camp. And again, stop with the BS. Every piece of software that's available for Windows I can run either virtually or through Boot Camp on my Mac. Oh and lets not forgot about the 1000's of UNIX/LINUX apps macs run. Since Mac is a UNIX box.
3. People buy mac's for the same reason people buy Lexus or BMW's. Sure I can drive just as well in a beat up Chevy that cost me 300 bucks. But a BMW is a finer ride.
So stop the hate against people who are want to spend more for a "fancier" experience. You don't want it, don't buy it.
And just to be clear.. I'm a member of MSDN and have been running 7 since beta. I like Windows 7. That's right a mac user (primarily) admits to digging Windows 7. It's about time MS released a good solid OS. I hope it's a huge hit. And I'm using it. Both via Boot Camp (for gaming) and virtually for development and anything else I need to run on windows.
This so called prizefight shows only that Rafe likes Macs, something he makes clear in all his shows. Like Fred says before me this prizefight is a sham.
I like the productivity software that comes with the mac. It certainly isn't as great as applets would have you believe, but it's light years ahead of what windows offers out of the box. Speaking of out of the box, it's a shame cnet reviewers are so damn desktop-centric. Join the 21st century kids! There's google apps, live apps ... and a plethora of browsers which far better on windows' machines than either IE or Safari.
Even a mac lover wont accept this...apple gives more value than windows7??Great comedy...
And compatibility too..Can Snow Leopard run applications created for apple OS in the year 1995??
Windows can do that!!
its called aero peek you biased ********
Reliability and Stability:
1. Josh suffered numerous crashes and still gets the 'spinning beach balls of doom' whereas he states that Windows hasn't crashed once, yet he rates both the same??
2. Seth states Windows 7 has not suffered a single data-loss experience whereas Leopard suffered guest account data loss on its startup and that he can't ignore that that happened, but he rates both the same??
Performance and Stability:
1. Rafe marks down Windows 7 because even though its snappier now, historically Windows installations suffer performance degradation. I have been running Windows 7 for many many months and my performance has not decreased one iota, even with multiple development tools installed. Review the actual OS, not what you anticipate based on previous versions Rafe.
Unique Features:
1. Josh: Snow Leopard taking less space than its previous iteration does not equal a feature. Windows 7 is also leaner, where are its bonus points?
2. Rafe: Windows Movie Maker has been ommitted as many consumers don't need or want it, but it is available for free via Windows Update so it's not excluded from the OS. I wouldn't mark Windows 7 down for making movie maker a voluntary option! He also gives bonus points to Leopard for having Safari has a browser, while ommitting the fact that Windows users have the option of not installing IE and choosing from any browser, including Safari. In Europe, users will be given the option upon install.
3. Seth: actually marks Leopard up for having MS Exchange compatibility, already native to Windows. Another bonus is iTunes, also available on Windows. All the other apps have Windows alternatives as well, but I do not have enough experience to compare the rest side-by-side. Still, Leopard hardly deserves a one-up in this department for having the tools pre-installed. Windows users have options and flexibility to choose which tools they need.
Value, Value Value:
1. Rafe: doesn't realize that Windows 7 is a much bigger upgrade over Vista than the minor Snow Leopard upgrade. In general, value-wise, you have a lot more PC options with Vista.
Snow Leopard is a fine operating system no doubt, but so is Windows 7 and if anything they are at least a tie. There is a clear bias in some of the scoring here.
No, by "cheaper" we mean we can go to Newegg and part out all the hardware in any given Mac and buy it for LESS MONEY, because we're not paying a premium for Apple's brand identity and industrial design. Less money for same hardware = greater value.
"I can run ANY game I want on my Mac using Boot Camp."
Translation: "I can run any game I want on my Mac using WINDOWS". Yes, Mac PLUS Windows run more software than Mac or Windows alone, but that's hardly a fair comparison.
For better or worse, Windows is the de facto standard software platform of the personal computer era AND it runs on off-the-shelf hardware. Just to get into the Mac platform you have to buy overpriced hardware from a boutique manufacture, and then you're stuck with a niche OS which entire categories of developers ignore. I love the fact that OSX is built on Linux (Microsoft was originally a Unix vendor, which makes the DOS shell all the more shameful), but it's not enough to make up for the platform's disadvantages.
Bottom Line: HARDWARE
1) While you can get MACS with very good hardware, you can NEVER get the best hardware on the market.
2) The cost for NEAR top of line hardware with a MAC is insane. I priced out a MAC below on their website. I am stunned. The damage is worth than I thought.
One 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
8GB (4x2GB)Mac Pro RAID Card
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MBTwo 18x SuperDrivesNone
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide
Glad it includes a User Guide (cough).
Yes, 4 hard drives for RAID 10.
Cost: $4,849 (Free Shipping, how cool?)
I have virtually the same rig in a PC running RAID 10 with 4 hard drives built over 1 year ago.
My Cost: $900, not to mention I overclock with an aftermarket cooler.
So, no thanks. I think I"ll save $4000.
This absurd price also begs the question:
Can't Windows 7 Start and Boot faster than Snow Leopard if I get faster hardware, yet somehow spend way less money? Resounding YES of course.
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by The Noble Robot
October 22, 2009 3:02 AM PDT
- Yes, this prizefight was silly and many of the facts were wrong or misrepresented. But I think the bombshell everyone is missing is that for the first time ever, a three-reviewer panel has unanimously rated a Windows OS as more stable than OSX. Say what??
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Showing 1 of 13 pages (629 Comments)Wasn't that one of Apple's most successful ad campaigns? Wasn't "PCs crash all the time!" the most cited reason to get OSX back in the day?
Give OSX all the extra points you want in "value" and "unique features," but it looks like the "beach ball" has finally supplanted the "blue screen."