Prizefight (week of May 03)

Samsung Series 9 vs. Apple MacBook Air

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Samsung Series 9 vs. Apple MacBook Air

The Apple MacBook Air has long been the sexy-thin ultraportable of choice, and for years it's been unchallenged by Windows laptops...until now. The Samsung Series 9 has risen to try to out-Apple Apple with a sleek, attractive 13-incher all its own.

Who will come out on top in this battle of the superthin laptops?

Round 1: Sexiness and durability

Design and looks count for a lot, so here's where we examine the look, size, feel, and sex appeal of the devices.
player Dan Scott Brian the winner
Samsung Series 9 (13-inch)Samsung Series 9 (13-inch) 4Feels cheaper than its $1,600-plus price would indicate, but by all means a very nice-looking machine. 4It's slim, it's sleek, and it's obviously a riff on the MacBook Air, but the Series 9's black frame and backlit keyboard hold their own. It does have some plastic bits, though. 5The Samsung Series 9 looks like a piece of modern art. Its wrapped sheet metal exterior design stands alone, and its plastic bezel doesn't bother me. 4.3
Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch)Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch) 5Still the champ, not just because it looks nice, but because it feels like it could take a bullet for you. 5The all-metal thin-blade design of the MacBook Air is hard to beat. The screen bezel's still too big, but this is an envy-inducing laptop. 5Apple still knows how to do it. Its unibody design is elegant, and to get a 13-inch laptop this thin still amazes. 5

Round 2: Features

Looks matter, but it's what's inside that really counts. Which laptop packs the most features into its tiny frame?
player Dan Scott Brian the winner
Samsung Series 9 (13-inch)Samsung Series 9 (13-inch) 4It adds most of the extras the MacBook Air lacks, but the small SSD drive is a bummer. 4Bluetooth, a backlit keyboard, a new Core i5 processor, and plenty of ports, although they do require dongles--however, its SSD storage caps at 128GB. 4The specs here are beefier with twice the RAM, a Core i5 processor, and Apple staples like a backlit keyboard. Plus flip-out ports for more connectivity. 4
Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch)Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch) 3The current Air adds a second USB port and an SD card slot over the original, and 256GB is a comfortable spot for storage. 3The MacBook Air's sparse on ports and features, but it does offer twice the SSD storage on a model that costs even less than the Series 9. 3The MacBook Air has fewer ports, and its main feature advantage is offering more storage space for less money. 3

Round 3: Performance

Ultraportables still need the juice to handle the many tasks we throw at them. Who can best flex its processor power and muscle?
player Dan Scott Brian the winner
Samsung Series 9 (13-inch)Samsung Series 9 (13-inch) 4These two laptops are surprisingly evenly matched, considering that the Series 9 has a newer Core-series processor. It's because Samsung uses a low-power ULV chip, which usually disappoints. 4The Series 9 uses a low-voltage processor that's slower than normal laptops, but it's faster than the Air--it's a newer Sandy Bridge Core i5. Its integrated graphics are about as good as the Nvidia graphics on the Air. 4You might think the Core i5 would dominate here, but its low-voltage design holds it back. Still, performance is solid. 4
Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch)Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch) 4The aging Core 2 Duo is fine for what most people would use the Air for. The real winner is the superquick boot and wake times. 4The Air's Core 2 Duo processor is deceptively fast despite its age, especially in boot-up time, which trumps the Series 9. Graphically, the MacBook Air may be a bit better, but it's too close to call. 4Graphics performance gets a slight edge, but users won't really see it. Start-up from sleep was snappier here, too. 4

Round 4: Battery life

Battery life is key when you're talking ultraportables, so who has enough juice to go the distance?
player Dan Scott Brian the winner
Samsung Series 9 (13-inch)Samsung Series 9 (13-inch) 4Both are in the same ballpark, as we'd expect from superthin laptops with low-voltage processors. 4So close it's nearly a photo finish. The Series 9 edged out the MacBook Air at 322 minutes on our battery tests--that's over 5 hours of use. 5If I can get almost 5.5 hours of juice out of an ultraslim body, that's top of the class for battery life. 4.3
Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch)Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch) 4Apple always does great on battery life, but since it seems to be so easy, the company should up its game and do better next time. 4The 13-inch MacBook Air's 5-hour battery life is nothing to sneeze at, but at 298 minutes, it comes short of the larger 2011 MacBook Pros, which average 7 hours. 4The MacBook Air comes in at just under 5 hours, an impressive feat of its own, but it's not better than the Series 9. 4

Round 5: Value

Which laptop makes more dollars and sense for you?
player Dan Scott Brian the winner
Samsung Series 9 (13-inch)Samsung Series 9 (13-inch) 2Wow. If you're going to present yourself as an alternative to the well-like MacBook Air, try undercutting the competition, not, uh, overcutting it (it's so outlandish we had to invent a word to describe it). 3Sorry, Series 9: your $1,649 price tag is absurd. It's a great-looking laptop, but priced way too high for what it offers. 4I always purchase an extended coverage plan for my laptops, and though $1,649 is a lot, that includes a three-year warranty. Apple's is only one year. 3
Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch)Apple MacBook Air Fall 2010 (Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz, 128GB SSD, 13.3-inch) 4The MacBook Air has always been pricey. For $1,099 it'd be a steal, but compared with the Series 9 it comes off as reasonably priced. 4Starting at $1,299, the 13-inch Air comes off as a relative bargain compared with the Series 9 (that's a hard feat to pull off, Samsung). 4The $1,299 looks sweet to me, and doubling the SSD storage for $1,599 makes it a great value. But add $249 for the extended warranty, and you're in the same ballpark as the Series 9. 4

The winner is...

Winner

Apple MacBook Air (4.0 pts)

Apple MacBook Air

Runner-Up

Samsung Series 9 (3.9 pts)

Samsung Series 9
In a surprisingly close battle, the Samsung Series 9 came close...but lost by a nose to the Apple MacBook Air. The Series 9's features and next-gen processor were big pluses, but that price tag was the killer in this one. Still, if you have a bottomless checking account, you'll be happy with either laptop.
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Whenever I touch a Mac Book Air I still feel satisfied and happy....VOODOO?(lol)
Posted by gangalee69 (8 comments )
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Whenever I touch a Mac Book Air I still feel satisfied and happy....VOODOO?(lol)
Posted by gangalee69 (8 comments )
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Due to Apple's significantly higher prices here in Australia, a MacBook Air with 3 years warranty and 4GB of RAM costs $2428, while the Samsung Series 9 costs $2498. While Apple's Mac OS is lighter and faster than Windows, consumers will generally choose Windows as it is easier to use and compatible with a greater range of products. Plus, servicing for a Windows PC is cheaper and more widely available than Apple, which again makes the Samsung Series 9 the better choice in the long run.
Posted by twigz2010 (1 comment )
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twigz2010: are the prices really still that high in AU? I mean, with the current Fx rate I'd expect them to drop significantly
Posted by thisisconfusing (2 comments )
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"consumers will generally choose Windows as it is easier to use" - what are you smoking?
Posted by hutchike (157 comments )
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Comparisons between OS X and Windows should stop. They are so different. I, personally think OS X is way easier to use than Windows and I use both for work. Windows is my secondary machine because I dislike how old-fashioned it feels when compared to OS X. But that's a personal preference. Plus I feel help for Apple products is much easier to get - but that's here in the U.S. These types of prize-fights are just dumb.
Posted by keaura (53 comments )
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easier to use? I think windows 7 makes me feel dumb being used to XP and Mac OS X
Posted by mpitogo (270 comments )
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Correction: Mac is easier to use.
Posted by Zacm05 (145 comments )
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Huh? Windows is easier to use than a Mac? Compatibility problems? That's quite a while ago now, mate.
Posted by blpublic (2 comments )
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@twigz2010

Windows is easier to use than Mac OS X? Uh, have you ever used a Mac? Personally, I find the Mac OS X to be faster, better organized, more intuitive, more consistent, more reliable, and way easier to use than any Windows offering.

Two key advantages of Mac OS X over Windows. Software installs take seconds rather than 10's of minutes. Installing peripheral devices works perfectly every time.
Posted by pjs_boston (106 comments )
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i disagree with u on the windows being easier to use. I was an windows user for almost 16 years and when i switched to mac i found mac OS it be easier faster more intuitive and all round smother and more functional.
Posted by Kingofmee (8 comments )
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Are you kidding me?! Mac OS X is much easier to use than Windows. It's simple enough for not-so-tech savvy users to easily figure out, while advanced enough for us, well, advanced users. I will admit that Windows has a greater range of compatible products, but the Mac user base is growing. Also, if you live near an Apple Store, servicing is extremely easy, and often free. PCs, on the other hand, will cost you lots of money to repair/service - and that's only if you can find a place to do it.
Posted by samw40 (4 comments )
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Windows easier than mac? Samsung better than mac? On the planet that i live on, these two phrases just don't exist.
Posted by brettjolly (6 comments )
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this is a question to Dan and Scott, if the samsung actually had a better battery life then how can you score it a tie? 30 mins isn't a photo finish. 5 mins sure, but a full half an hour is not.

it should have been a 5 to 4 across the board,

this is actually a tie. Looks is always going to be subjectable, so that's a toss, price to performance and features is where this goes back and forth.
Posted by boswd (3208 comments )
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Agreed here. With something as objective and measurable as battery life, a 10% increase should be recognized.
Posted by Randomletters1 (64 comments )
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Much like gizmodo news dot com always has an apple bias you could pitch an iPod against a ferrari in a street race and some how apple would win, even if it did nothing but stand still.

Ignore them.

But yes on planet Sane in the Reality Galaxy, in the Technical Competence Universe, the apple looses hands down in this particular comparison.
Posted by Xtreame96 (294 comments )
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Actually, the 13 in mabbok air has 7 HOUR BATTERY. for some strange reason they put the battery specs of the 11 inch model into the review when they're SUPPOSED to be reviewing the 13 in. So fail on their part there. That would put the MacBook air somewhere around 5 to 3.5 if they had done their research right.
Posted by 4justincase (26 comments )
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Of course, the Samsung model is hobbled by the Windows OS only option...
Posted by solitare_pax (10686 comments )
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There are those among us that do not see this as a hobbling. Individual opinions, of course, may vary.
Posted by Randomletters1 (64 comments )
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I concur. I've been able to justify Apple hardware purchases sometimes solely on the added value of dual-booting Mac OX X and Windows 7 when all things are otherwise equal...surprised that didn't make it into the mix in this face-off. 2 fully-functional machines in 1 is hard to top.
Posted by Ellusian (64 comments )
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ever heard of Ubuntu, OPENsuse, or fedora?
Posted by wyattwbeier1 (1 comment )
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This comparison is not without major flaws. If you really knew the Samsung Series 9 specs you would of mentioned the USB 3.0 port. The Apple has very limited potential to use outboard devices. Therefor, the series 9 wins.
Posted by bj70117 (28 comments )
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The Series 9 doesn't have a USB 3.0 port you doofus!
Posted by pjs_boston (106 comments )
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pjs_boston: Before calling someone else a 'doofus, maybe you should check your facts. The product description for the Samsung Series 9 states "This Series 9 laptop features one super-speed USB 3.0 port--the latest development in USB data transfer technology." This would make YOU the dufus (by the way, this is how it is spelled).
Posted by nareitz (1 comment )
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Writing this with my 13" MacBook Air. Things I love are 256GB SSD (128GB isn't enough unless you have no music/movies), 7 hour battery life, very sleek trackpad with multi gestures, and the superfast startup/shutdown times. But if you prefer running Windows I guess Samsung is your daddy.
Posted by hutchike (157 comments )
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I have music and it only takes up 4Gb of space. I can't figure out where people get movies from.
Posted by sdmitch16 (82 comments )
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LOL love all the PC trolls in the comments. Windows easier to use than the Mac, and limited use of outboard devices...ROTFLMAO! I didn't know PC could hook up a Mercury Outboard...

But I guess in your humble opine USB 3 is sooo much better than USB 2, Firewire and Thunderbolt!

BTW my Mac (which has no viruses) has both the OSX and Windows 7 on it. If I wish I can also install Linux on it as well. I then have access to ALL SOFTWARE while you poor little series 9 has only windows software.

Did I mention ROTFLMAO at you!

Get a life!
Posted by battmail (68 comments )
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Air doesn't Thunderbolt, devices can't connect to Firewire, and PCs can install Linux. Plus, you have to pay to get Windows. Most people are use to Windows so its easier for them to use.
Posted by sdmitch16 (82 comments )
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NERD!!! LOL
Posted by blackstar_1 (29 comments )
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Oh, no! Only one OS? I can't get all the software! Like GarageBand and....uh...uh....
And by the way, the Air only has USB 2. The Thunderbolt is on the Pro. This is a prizefight between Series 9 and the Air, not Apple versus the rest of the laptop industry.
Posted by iharangue (2 comments )
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Series 9 has USB 2.0, not 3.0. Windows don't get viruses if you have something called ANTIVIRUS!!! Not so hard, free, and lightweight. Macbook Air hasn't a thunderbolt port, who uses firewire? and who needs mac software? Most mac software is a port from windows, and if not, we have a better AND free alternative.

btw, its ROFL, not ROTFL. nerd fail
Posted by silverous (9 comments )
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Series 9 has USB 2.0, not 3.0. Windows don't get viruses if you have something called ANTIVIRUS!!! Not so hard, free, and lightweight. Macbook Air hasn't a thunderbolt port, who uses firewire? and who needs mac software? Most mac software is a port from windows, and if not, we have a better AND free alternative.

btw, its ROFL, not ROTFL. nerd fail
Posted by silverous (9 comments )
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bj70117 - As a Macbook Pro owner, I have to concur that Apple's continued refusal to support USB 3.0 is disappointing. But I'd argue the necessity for the average user. At this point 3.0 is old tech- and the general adoption rate has been at a crawl. That said, I don't think Apple will fare any better with Thunderbolt. We'll see.
Posted by ashenol (1 comment )
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"nothing on the planet that can match apple's superior design...", seriously? could you be any more biased? cnet should have simply added another "Round" called "does the laptop have apple logo?" and given the air a solid 5.0 and samsung 0 to pay their dues to the boss Jobs even better. I'm sick of this cnet BS, time to find an unbiased alternative to this crap. I, speaking for myself, an boycotting cnet.
Posted by Me-- (72 comments )
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Having an opinion after spending time with both products is not the same as bias.

"I, speaking for myself, an boycotting cnet."

Don't let the door hit ya...
Posted by snigglepop (337 comments )
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I don't think you understand the meaning of the word biased. They would be biased if they said "Sure the Macbook Air is slower, but we're giving them the edge on speed." Making a factual statement that no one can match Apple in design is not biased, by definition. It is an opinion perhaps, but they are giving us their opinions after-all. May I ask for some examples of products that beat Apple in design?
Posted by myles taylor (4617 comments )
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Just because Apple has a superior design doesn't mean CNET is biased toward Apple. Apple is allowed to do a few things better than other companies. Get a life.
Posted by Zacm05 (145 comments )
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How can you even think CNET is biased FOR Apple, they do nothing but to highlight Apple's flaws, even when there are none. And if you don't think Apple wins on design, you are so clearly biased against them it's not even funny. Even my die-hard PC friends always praise Apple's design. They have won more design awards then any Tech firm, period. So go ahead and boycott CNET, and good riddens.
Posted by dan90254 (134 comments )
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OK, what does?
Posted by Jeremy Chappell (703 comments )
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Good riddance!
Posted by pjs_boston (106 comments )
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I'd say just the opposite. From all the CNET videos I've watched, they seemed to be more biased against Apple, particularly Molly Wood.
Posted by joeblues79 (2 comments )
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Well we know the samgung is superior in weight, and in power, the piffly 1.4 ghz cpu is good for nothing in the macbook air.

I would love to see these things do photoshop tasks or try to play games.

Otherwise I think a fair comparrison would be to put an atom notebook in at 1/5th the price with an ssd in it, and watch it actually beat both of them in value and match performance.
Posted by Xtreame96 (294 comments )
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the processor in the Series 9 laptop is also a 1.4GHz dual core, just like the macbook air's processor, but i would love to see the comparison you described
Posted by hehooisbored (194 comments )
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You really haven't tried one of these have you. MBA may sound weak on paper (to some people), but it is at least 10X as powerful as a netbook. Yes, you can use photoshop and play games on it, with ease.
Posted by d_adams (983 comments )
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I think the biggest failure here is that 1.4 ghz cpu I cant take The macBook air seriously when my Phone has more cpu power.
Posted by Xtreame96 (294 comments )
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according to my research...the Intel® Core" i5 Processor 2537M that is in the Series 9 laptops is also....1.4GHz, so what's your complaint again? Also, I'l assume your phone has a 1GHz single core processor, which would mean that both laptops in this comparison are way faster than your phone because both of these laptops have dual core processors
Posted by hehooisbored (194 comments )
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The Macbook Air is due for a refresh. Even though it inched ahead in this prizefight, I would like to see a rematch when the MBA is refreshed. I expect longer battery life, faster processor, and a thunderbolt port.
Posted by myles taylor (4617 comments )
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I'm embarrassed for CNET and its readers that "sexiness" continues to be a criterion for evaluating electronic hardware. Why not have a Prizefight between your evaluation criteria? How about substituting "design" for "sexiness?"
Posted by rancarl (7 comments )
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"sexiness" is a cooler word to say.
Posted by Yelonde (3236 comments )
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What's funny is that I have played with both laptops and reviewed them heavily myself. I don't have a bias opinion in any way but the Samsung has a bunch of aluminum trim it's entire bottom and screen casing is PLASTIC!!! For almost $2,000 I find that a little concerning. The Apple is faster when it comes to every day tasks, its wakes faster, and it just feels faster when multi-tasking. For a Windows machine the Samsung is a nice option for portability but everything else with the laptop feels cheap. Side note: the touchpad on the Samsung is TERRIBLE!!!!
Posted by cnetreviewer09 (23 comments )
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FYI the Samsung has a LOWER resolution with the same screen size, where was that on the value portion. 1440x900 is substantial when looking at a 13" display...
Posted by cnetreviewer09 (23 comments )
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I don't even bother to read these CNET prizefights involving Apple because I know that the Apple product invariably will lose. They must not spend much-or any-advertising money with CNET whereas I'm sure Samsung and all the other Apple competitors do.

In the fight game, it's what they call being fixed.
Posted by hikeeveryday (60 comments )
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I LOL'ed.
Posted by Randomletters1 (64 comments )
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Yet, you are commenting on it.
Posted by bahrrt (329 comments )
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Yep, I commented because the original commenter claimed the fix was in against Apple, and yet the MBA won. That made me laugh, and so I said as much.

See what I did there?
Posted by Randomletters1 (64 comments )
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sarcasm? if not, you should have read this one as apple did win
Posted by hehooisbored (194 comments )
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ummm the MacBook Air won.
Posted by boswd (3209 comments )
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Apple won this prizefight. =/
Posted by 4evewinter (5 comments )
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dont you mean the apple product will win?
Posted by ljheat10 (1464 comments )
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But you do take the time to leave comments? If you hate Apple, simply don't click.
Posted by vjoseph2 (7 comments )
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OK. Couple of things... First off, to battmail: Funny you should mention no problems with Apple. My Windows 7 laptop doesn't have any viruses, or any of the compatibility problems that Snow Leopard has had. Oh, and Snow Leopard was actually more susceptible to viruses than any other OS Apple released. Hmmm. Guess the mac fan boys should stop blowing the "no viruses!" horn...

And yes, once again we are presented with another biased-towards-Apple prizefight. Not that I'm saying the Series 9 should have won necessarily, but it was just a little fishy how things were neck and neck, with Samsung slightly ahead, until the last section where suddenly Apple is considered top dog. Not the first time this has happened, putting Apple ahead in a prizefight by playing up the "value" comparison at the end while underplaying the other sections where Apple doesn't happen to win...
Posted by tillmorn (4 comments )
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Sorry? "Snow Leopard was actually more susceptible to viruses than any other OS Apple released"?

What on earth are you raving on about?
Posted by Biallystock (176 comments )
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WOW! That was too close! :D

@Xtream96, the standard processor in the MacBook Air is NOT 1.4GHz! its 1.86GHz. And about the performance? hmm...Its a lot faster than the netbooks with Intel Atom Processor.

Apple makes both the hardware and software, so you can get the best out of you notebook.
Posted by AMDeeb (7 comments )
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There is nothing to compare here. Samsung is copying Apple in every form so as to compete with Apple. Samsung should come up with something original, something Samsung before they can gain my respect.
Posted by nkalu (87 comments )
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Who cares about respect? They just wants your moneys. Apple too.
Posted by silverous (9 comments )
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I cannot believe that someone who works for cnet would buy an extended warranty. His credibility is shot as far as I'm concerned!
Posted by tad0900 (60 comments )
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This only came in so close because obviously one of the reviewers, Brian was obviously on drugs. How could he give them both the same score on value, when the MAC was more than $200 cheaper. Seriously, this things are rigged to make them look close.
Posted by dan90254 (134 comments )
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he was speaking in terms of the the warranty. Samsung you get a 3 year warranty out of the box, the Macbook is only a year, so to match the number of years in the warranty the Macbook isn't a bargain anymore.
Posted by boswd (3209 comments )
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dan90254 - They are not equal.

Samsung has an i5 processor while the Macbook has a core 2 duo. What would you rather have as your cpu?

Samsung comes with a standard 4gb or ram. The Macbook comes with 2gb at the $1299 price. You have to add another $100 to have it at 4gb. Not including the 3 year warranty at $249.

On top of that. You can get the Samsung at Amazon at $1599 and save on sales tax.

So in the end. If you get the Macbook Air it will cost you $1648 (configured) plus tax $152.44 (9.25% for me) = $1,800.44

You tell me which way this review was rigged.
Posted by sweaty_taco (417 comments )
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Well, if to consider also the OS -- it's a clear cut. Paying 1,7K on a WIN 7 machine looks crazy...
Posted by crpascal (3 comments )
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Actually not even close. The Series 9 is typical Windows ecosystem junk. Read the full review on CNet. It's make of cheap plastic and wrapped in a thin layer of sheet metal. The thing flexes and creaks like every other piece of Wintel crap.

The MacBook Air is carved out of a solid metal block. Rock solid and oozes quality. It's a sensual experience to use one.

Besides, the Series 9 is just a copy of the MacBook Air. They copied the keyboard, the trackpad, tried (and failed) to copy the thinness. Why own a copy when you can have the original for less money?
Posted by pjs_boston (106 comments )
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I love the battery life round, Apple fan much? I like how the Air gets a perfect 5 Vs. a 4.3 on the 9 series for styling but then in perhaps one of the most crucial rounds for this market segment (Battery Life) the 9 series gets 30 minutes longer run time in bench mark testing and yet it only gets a 4.3 Vs. 4.0 for the Air. 30 minutes longer run time than the air is not a close call.

I honestly don't even care about either computer, buy what makes you happy. But I do get a kick out of the fan camps on both sides and how they "compare" the products. These cnet prizefights just tend to show blatant Apple bias. 5.0 Vs. 4.3 for Sexiness (whatever that is good for) and yet a 4.3 Vs. 4.0 for Battery life when the battery life is better on the 9 series by a failry wide margin seems slightly slanted.
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CNET's apple orgy fest of the day.
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Dan Ackerman Dan Ackerman: is a former radio DJ turned journalist and has written about technology and music for publications including Spin, Blender, and The Hollywood Reporter. He hosts the weekly Digital City podcast.
Scott Stein Scott Stein: has written about tech, entertainment, video games, and viral culture for outlets including Laptop, Maxim, Esquire, and Men's Journal. He also appears on the Digital City podcast.
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