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Zune HD vs. iPod Touch
Zune HD vs. iPod Touch
Once a year, we get a chance to put two longtime heavyweight rivals in the ring in a fight for portable media player supremacy. The history of Zune versus iPod Prizefights is long and bloody, filled with enough cutting criticism to send devout fans on both sides of the ring into fits.
This year's iPod vs. Zune Prizefight is more closely matched than ever, showcasing a Zune HD that has been pleasantly surprising critics from all over the tech world, and a third-generation iPod Touch that is known more for what it doesn't have (a camera) than for the few new features it brings.
As always, our Prizefight judges are some of CNET's most opinionated when it comes to portable media players. So strap yourself in, suspend your own judgments for a few minutes, and let our CNET editors do the work for you as they argue over which device is worth your money.
Round 1: Navigation
In round one, we examine the interface of the MP3 player. Touch screens are cool, but making them intuitive and responsive is harder than it seems. Both the Zune and the Touch take advantage of similar capacitive, multitouch screen technology, but the user interface on each is quite different. Which interface makes more sense?| player | Donald | Jasmine | Brian | the winner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
 Zune HD (32GB - platinum) | 5Being able to match the iPod Touch is amazing enough, but for including innovative navigation features such as Quickplay, Pins, History, and on-the-fly playlist creation, Microsoft deserves big praise. Plus, the overall experience is more playful than the iPod. | 4The Zune HD interface is really, really cool looking, and I love the scrolling text and artist photos on the playback screen. But it's not quite as intuitive as the Touch interface. There's no shuffle all playback option or dedicated volume--kind of important for a player that stresses music so much. | 4Navigation the Zune HD is great, but it's just not as easy as the Touch--but by only a smidgen. Also has multitouch functionality. | 4.3 |
 Apple iPod Touch (third generation, 32GB) | 5Navigation on the Touch is brilliant, fast, intuitive, fluid, methodical, and consistent from menu to menu. Compared with the Zune, though, the experience is a little dry. | 5The iPod Touch interface is a no-brainer. It doesn't have the "wow" appeal of the Zune HD, but it's exceedingly straightforward and I appreciate the dedicated volume switch. Plus, the option to have tactile playback controls built into headphones is a nice touch. | 5Still has the best navigation for every function from the operating system, to the media player with its multitouch. | 5 |
Round 2: Sexiness
You don't want to throw $300 at a product that you're embarrassed to be seen with. It's almost assumed that any Apple product will take the sexiness round, but Microsoft may have finally have a hottie on the hands.| player | Donald | Jasmine | Brian | the winner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zune HD (32GB - platinum) | 5The Zune is the hottest product I've seen all year, and it is one of the first touch-screen devices I've used that doesn't immediately conjure iPhone comparisons. The OLED screen gives me goose bumps and its aluminum body feels like it fell off the set of "Battlestar Galactica." | 5Hawt. Love the brushed aluminum color options, superstylish Zune Originals etchings, and gloriously defined OLED screen. Plus, it's more pocket-friendly than the iPod Touch. | 4Very attractive, with an industrial edge to it. Obviously took design cues from the iPod Touch after its first attempt. Have customizable back plates as well. | 4.7 |
| Apple iPod Touch (third generation, 32GB) | 4The iPod Touch has a beautiful design, but it hasn't changed a bit from last year and still has an iPhone look-a-like vibe. You won't find a slimmer portable media player, but it won't turn as many heads as the Zune. | 4No doubt about it: that ample screen and polished chrome backside make the Touch a hottie, but it, frankly, seems just a tad dull and dated next to the Zune HD. | 5Top notch sexy. It's the slimmest, sleekest gadget right now. | 4.3 |
Round 3: Compatibility
This is a subjective take on each MP3 player's compatibility with software, file formats, and services we like to use. The Zune and the iPod Touch are both known for their inflexibility when it comes to computer software. Relatively speaking, though, let's figure out which one plays nice with the most stuff.| player | Donald | Jasmine | Brian | the winner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zune HD (32GB - platinum) | 2I know Macs still don't hold a major share of the computer market, but everyone I show the Zune to seems utterly heartbroken that it won't work on Mac. Even PC users have reason to be bummed that they can only use one program to load content. Give me Last.fm support and I'll add a point, OK, Microsoft? | 4The Zune Marketplace is about as pretty as one could hope from a jukebox-music store, and like iTunes, it offers a fair amount of video content. Plus, you have that all-important subscription component. Keeping it from perfection is a lack of native Mac support. | 3The Zune Marketplace is PC only, so they won't be winning over curious Mac users. AAC, MP3, and WMA support. Its catalog of media content is a lot smaller compared with iTunes. It has an excellent hybrid subscription service. | 3 |
| Apple iPod Touch (third generation, 32GB) | 5The iPod Touch works with Rhapsody now (sort of), streams Internet radio, works on Mac or PC, and has a few million accessories to play with. It can't play WMA or WMV, but personally I don't care. Wi-Fi music, video, and podcast downloads make software limitations less of an issue. | 4iTunes 9 is a big improvement over its predecessor in terms of look and feel, and I certainly appreciate its vast music and--more importantly--video catalog. Plus, it's compatible with my Mac. However, limited file format support and no subscription music option take it down one notch. | 4Apple is closed off with the iTunes software for iPods and nothing else. But does it matter with its market dominance and the largest media catalog? It supports major file formats, but not WMA. | 4.3 |
Round 4: Sound and science
In the fourth round, we consider sound quality, storage capacity, bonus features, battery life, and any other wonders of science.| player | Donald | Jasmine | Brian | the winner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zune HD (32GB - platinum) | 3The Zune's sound quality can hold up to the iPod Touch, but it doesn't do anything to push beyond it. I mean, even a $40 Sansa Clip offers a 5-band custom EQ. No Bluetooth, but just look at that awesome OLED screen. | 5It's true that the Zune HD's screen isn't as big for video-viewing purposes and there is a very limited selection of apps, but for me, this is a music player and it does that exceedingly well. It has fantastic audio quality and solid audio battery life. | 4Zune had a slight edge in sound quality. Web browser is very good, but not at the Safari level. FM radio still works great and being able to dock it with your TV is nice, even if it's a $89 add-on. There's no app store here. | 4 |
| Apple iPod Touch (third generation, 32GB) | 3Neither of these players really affords much in the way of tweaking the sound, nor do they include good earbuds. The iPod Touch does offer Bluetooth support, though. Also, I like how the light sensor can automatically adjust screen brightness. | 5Maybe its sound quality isn't the greatest, but I don't use the iPod Touch for music. The selection of videos, games, and other apps really takes it home for me, and its battery life is decent for all of that. Plus, there's a 64GB option, which is great. | 5More than a media player, it's a pocket-computer with best mobile Web browser. There's voice control and recording, and the App Store and quantity of apps...no contest yet. | 4.3 |
Round 5: Value
Last, but definitely not least, we consider the price of the MP3 player measured against its features, design, and performance.| player | Donald | Jasmine | Brian | the winner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zune HD (32GB - platinum) | 3Without a 16GB iPod Touch from Apple, the Zune HD's $219 model is sitting pretty next to the $199 Touch with half the capacity. But without the near-infinite extensibility of the iTunes App Store, the Zune HD won't retain its value as well as the Touch. | 5More gigabytes for your money gives the Zune HD an edge in my book. And, yes, you do have to pay $15 per month for a Zune Pass to really appreciate the device, but considering that includes 10 song downloads per month you get to keep, I think that's pretty much a steal. | 4At $289 for 32GB, the Zune HD doesn't have all the features of the iPod Touch, but it's still a solid value. The Zune Pass service costs $15, but you get 10 downloads per month--which one of the best. However, it adds $180 per year to the total cost. | 4 |
| Apple iPod Touch (third generation, 32GB) | 4I know 8GB isn't a lot, but Apple's capability to bring an App Store-capable device down to $199 is a huge value. Even at $299, all those games, apps, movie rentals, and Bluetooth support add up to a great bargain. | 4The iPod Touch is pricey, but you do get a lot for your money, so it's a fairly solid value. A good selection free apps helps it out. | 4It's $299 for the 32GB with an updated processor and voice controls. Its functionality goes beyond what any other player on the market can do. | 4 |
The winner is...
Winner
Runner-Up
Zune HD (4 pts)
Apple iPod Touch (third generation) (4.4 pts)
Oh Zune HD--close, but no cigar. We haven't seen a Zune versus iPod Prizefight this close since 2007. Unfortunately, in spite of Microsoft's tremendous effort, the Zune HD just can't catch a real lead on the iPod Touch. That said, clearly there are going to be people who will prefer the Zune HD's more streamlined purpose, gorgeous screen, and drool-worthy Zune Pass music service. But when push comes to shove, our editors believe the iPod Touch is a better product for most people.
i'd still give the prizefight to the iphone for apps and compatibility but personally neither of those concern me
The Zune HD has better organizations, pin lists, history, and new downloads. It also sorts everything into categories. It just seems like it should have won that round, as well as the Sound and Science round. I do think that the iPod Touch deserved the win, but in some areas I just have to disagree. They were way too harsh in scoring the Zune's strong points.
Also consider that while the global market for Apple isn't especially strong, they enjoy a stronger presence in the US (which is the only region that the Zune HD is currently available)
The bottom line is that Mac compatibility should be considered very important for a device of this kind.
2) The Zune HD has been around for what, two weeks? Less? You expect the same number of apps to be available as on the iTouch, which has been around for years? Jeez.
I already have my Windows Phone for apps. Plenty of them there.
How about a company actually makes a good Media player first? Oh hey, Microsoft just did.
I own both and I left a comment here on page 2 describing why ...if you're interested in my rationale.
Just take into account that Apple and Microsoft don't provide only touch based players, if you want to keep your 40GB+ of media you should look into their Hard Drive devices, like the Zune 80GB and 120GB, however apple only has a 160GB Hard Drive device which might be too much for you, but they do have a 64GB touch modle.
I have a Zune, but I don't think of myself as a fanboi.
Problem solved. You won't get anything that easy with Apple.
- Press the big PLAY icon on the top level menu to the left of music
"Top notch sexy. It's the slimmest, sleekest gadget right now."
- What are you looking at, dude? Still scratches and the some old display technology. oh, and the HD is slimmer.
"It can't play WMA or WMV, but personally I don't care."
"The Zune Marketplace is PC only, so they won't be winning over curious Mac users. "
- I dont care if the Zune software doesnt work in that 4% of worlwide macs since it works fine in my Compaq Athlon based work rig and in my self build Pentium Core 2 Duo clone at home. and in fact, those macolytes have a myriad of options even sanctioned by their God (bootcamp). There is Sun VirtualBox, VMWare, etc, etc.
" being able to dock it with your TV is nice, even if it's a $99 "
- The Sync Dock is $50 at Amazon. or you are gonna tell us that you have money for getting an overpriced Mac but no a cheap $8 HDMI cable?
"Plus, there's a 64GB option, which is great."
- 16GB Zune HD $219 is a greater value than the old iPod Touch 8GB for $199.
"the Zune HD won't retain its value as well as the Touch."
How so? The old 8GB iPod Touch is not fully compatible with the latest features available (no voice control) for the real 3G iPod Touch and future games and apps will not work fully with the 8GB iPod Touch since it is using old hardware.
"However, it adds $180 per year to the total cost."
Hey, Brian. How much money do you pay for 120 itunes songs when most songs are $0.99 - $1.29? Remember that Zune Pass give you 10 monthly credits for buying MP3/WMA songs up to 320 kbps.
Not a single mention of HD radio or did I miss something? Will you all make a big fuzz when the iPod Touch get radio next year ? Let us know when you will start praising Live Pause. Whatever.
Don't get mad b/c the Zune HD tried to copy ever single feature, design and UI of the iPhone and still doesn't beat it! The Zune's HD is a nice PMP, but that's it! Have fun carrying it and your cell phone with you around at all time. Oh, and I'm replying to this in my car over 3G.....do that on your Zune HD! HA!
I'll reply over 3G on my Zune HD when you do so on your iPod Touch.
Last I checked, 3G wireless internet is for the iPhone.
**on a side note: Any PRIZEFIGHT that has an Apple Product in it is always going to be scored higher than the opponent Regardless if its good or it Overall Sucks, because Brian Tong is an Apple Boy.
Zune HD 32 GB: 8.9MM, iPod Touch 32GB: 8.5MM
other than that you're right.. the scratches make the ipod look terrible after about a week in your pocket.
While the ZuneHD is a great competitor, it is still just an imitator. iPod Touch deserves the win.
even im tired of people lamenting on some points missed by Microsoft or sony..but if APPLE misses something..it isnt even talked about..and im sure they will praise LIVE pause in the NANO..another thing..who wants a crappy video camera in IPOD nano?? but there u go every1 is praising how u have so many features and ways to shoot..i say ***?? dont u own a cell phone to take videos???ITOUCH is sexier than ZUNE??? these CNET people need to learn!!
im tired of "appl-nism"!!!! and btw..nobody cares if they have a million apps on farts and what not..on the whole you had some great points!!!
It's comments like this that just kill me... The iPod Touch is a great product, but not if music and music discovery are your top needs. I have both and my Zune HD absolutely trumps my iPhone (same difference) when it comes to the music side of things. Reading the artist bios is interesting and the general look is a lot more advanced. The smaller size and lighter feel make it easier to pocket. I get compliments about the screen left and right. I appreciated your comment, but there are a lot of people who simply want a great music and video experience out of their devices. Will you get this with the iTouch? Of course, but just not quite as well as the Zune HD, which has formed its own niche area in the music industry. Casual games would be nice admittedly, but I regress, iFart is never touching either device with a 10 foot pole.
Oh, and I think the comment made about the look of the Zune was in irony; Apple always touts itself as being the hip, young, cool company in its (ongoing) ads. Seeing these two devices minus the logo would have you wondering which one was made by which company, which is a major Microsoft accomplishment.
Last thing: CNET Editors!
Did you notice that the text and micro- album covers aren't static? If you tilt the Zune HD, the words and the pictures shift a little. Also, when picking through songs in an album, the same thing happens to the portion of the art showing at the top of the screen. I thought my eyes were playing tricks, but it's true!
If you want a PREMIUM music experience, you get a Zune.
If you want GIMICKS like "Where did I park my car"? you get an iPod.
http://www.zunester.goods.officelive.com/default.aspx
Ohhhhh, righttttt. You don't have them. I think its obvious who wins.
On an ipod touch, you can do anything, that's why.
It does have an App Store.
On the same lines -- Microsoft would implement AAC (protected / FairPlay support) if they could license it from Apple. So would Palm (refer to the ongoing Palm vs. Apple battles over iTunes). Apple doesn't license this stuff. They *want* to be incompatible. It's in Palms interests to be compatible. It's in Microsoft's interests to be compatible. It's in the consumers interests for things to be compatible. In this instance however, it's not in Apple's interests -- so they are not playing nice.
But yep, this video reaks of Bias. It should be removed soon...that would be the morally correct thing to do. Also, it's a lie that there's no app store.
In any case, I was interested in this review particularly for the HD Radio part. To my knowledge this was **the only MP3 player that also is an HD Radio.** There is only one other portable/handheld/battery operated HD radio device: an Insignia HD radio available from Best Buy that came out about the same time and does not compare to having an MP3 player and HD radio together.
CNET: how come this does not seem to matter?? Talk about media and content??
That said, the Zune HD kicks the crap out of any non-touch iPod model. It's a better music and video player, IMHO. And the ZunePass is a great value and the real reason why I'm loving my Zune. (I love my iPod touch too--but more so for a general web browser, etc. It's too heavy for a music device while jogging, etc..)
Again, I want to stress *both* devices are great. Just adding my 2 cents...
There's this thing you may not have heard of, called a CD...
Then of course, there's the fact that iTunes is DRM free and you can use its music on the Zune HD, as well as music from Amazon.
I never said it did. Lol.
"There's this thing you may not have heard of, called a CD..."
Is that a joke? He was talking about MORE than music. Like videogames, applications, videos, etc. This is way the zune was no competition.
interesting comment from Ray180....
For years we heard that BI Macs (Before Intel) were cool hardware and software and it was the experience and usability --- but that the massive amount of Windows applications had absolutely no value and that therefore PCs "sucked compared to Macs". How things change when it helps an Apple product....
Also, what kind of crap virtual keyboard is that on the HD? And don't get me started on the WebOS that doesn't even render the exact webpages you go to. It displays a watered down version of the page you're going to and it's still slower than the iPod Touch and iPhone! Happy time with your Zune HD's!
If you could get your head out of your rear, you might see that both devices are GREAT. Let's not turn this into a "red versus blue" winner take all. This isn't a political election. These are just two music devices that are both pretty badass in their own right.
And yes, I love my touch too. It is possible to not be a shill (for either company) and admit that both devices are good.
Last time I checked, this isn't a competitor to the iPhone, seeing as well, it's not a phone.
I should wish my little sister good luck competing with my school's graduating class for valedictorian. She's 10 years old. :D