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On Call: Answers for your cell phone questions.

When carriers don't tell the whole truth

By Kent German 
March 12, 2007

Kent German, CNET's cell phone guru, wants to answer your questions about cell phones, services, and accessories. Send him a question!

Verizon phone or not?

Kyocera 7135
Kyocera 7135

  Kyocera KX1v
Kyocera KX1v

Q: I purchased a used Kyocera 7135 smart phone with a Verizon Wireless logo on it. When I took it to a nearby Verizon store, they told me they couldn't activate it for use because it didn't use CDMA technology. Is that true? I saw a Kyocera KX1v with a Verizon logo for sale on the Internet. Will that work instead?
--Marc

A: To put it to you straight, Marc, what the Verizon rep told you is completely wrong. The Kyocera 7135 is a CDMA phone and does use the CDMA bands (800 and 1900) that Verizon currently uses. It uses the analog roaming (AMPS 800) as well, but it's definitely a CDMA phone. If you don't believe me, check out this page from Kyocera's Web site that lists the 7135's specifications.

Granted, the 7135 is an older Verizon phone (our review is from 2003) but rest assured, it is a Verizon phone, and the carrier hasn't built a completely new network in the last four years. On the other hand, Verizon can refuse to activate the phone for other reasons but the rep should have been clear and not given you false information. As for the KX1v, it too is a CDMA Verizon phone from 2005 but if you're going to go that route you should make sure Verizon will support the phone before you buy it.

Finding a new Cingular SIM

Nokia 6010
Nokia 6010
Q: We own two Nokia 6010s that are about two years old. We have Cingular service and don't want to change our service plan since Cingular no longer offers it. My son lost his phone while traveling last week, and though we have a spare phone, we don't have an extra SIM card.

When I called Cingular about getting a new SIM, they told me that the cards compatible with my 6010 had been retired. But "if they could find one," it would cost $25 plus $9.95 shipping. I find it hard to believe that about the SIM cards, as a co-worker just bought a new Cingular phone, and he was able to use the SIM card from his old phone.
--dharman

A: Before I answer your question, I must ask you if you're a former AT&T Wireless customer. If that's the case, and you bought your Nokia 6010 before the AT&T/Cingular merger, then that would be a reason why Cingular insists on selling you a new SIM card. Ever since the two companies joined hands, Cingular has been eager to push customers off old AT&T plans onto new Cingular contracts. While they haven't forced people outright to do so, the company does "encourage" some people to migrate by restricting the use of Cingular-branded SIMs in old AT&T phones.

But if that scenario doesn't apply to you and you've been with Cingular all along, then there's a very good chance your old Cingular SIMs have been "retired." As carriers change equipment and develop networks, they sometimes will issue new SIM cards to current customers and phase out the older ones. Cingular did this a couple years ago when they replaced 32Kb SIMs with 64Kb SIMs.

Yet, I'm still cynical about one thing they told you. If your old SIMs have gone to the graveyard, Cingular should have given you a new one already. Also, I don't understand why they might be able to "find one." They have them or they don't; there shouldn't be a grey area. I'd encourage you to get more specifics from the carrier as they need to be honest and tell you the whole story. I also think the fee they want to charge is a bit steep. It's common that carriers stick you with a charge for replacing a lost SIM card but $35 is highway robbery. Finally, I'd ask if getting a replacement SIM required a new contract. It shouldn't be that way, but I'd make sure.

Has you carrier ever mislead you? Talk back to me below.

No cards on CDMA phones

Q: Why don't CDMA cell phones use SIM cards? It just seems that they would benefit not only the user, but also the carriers as they'd save man hours in activating new phones.
--Tom

A: As I'm sure you know, Tom, the purpose of a SIM card is to hold your identity as a wireless subscriber. When you put your SIM card in a phone and make a call, your carrier's network then recognizes you as a subscriber and allows you to place the call. GSM technology was designed specifically to use SIM cards so you could take your identity from phone to phone just by switching the card.

I don't know the initial reason why CDMA phones were designed the same way, but their absence does give carriers more control over the phones their customers use. CDMA phones "hard wire" a subscriber's identity into the phone. So, if you're a Verizon Wireless or a Sprint subscriber, that's why you need to go to your carrier to activate a new handset.


On hold...

Camera phones

A few years ago I remember writing a story about the newest innovation in the cell phone world--digital cameras. At this time, the cameras weren't inside the phone; rather they were little attachments you had to plug into the phone. Also, in that first year or so after the millennium, camera phones were few and far between.

Yet since that time, the cell phone landscape has changed a lot. Camera phones now are ubiquitous, and it's harder to find a phone without a camera then it is to find one with a digital shooter. Every carrier has them and every cell phone manufacturer makes them. Even RIM, which had long shunned cameras, finally jumped on the bandwagon when it put a 1.3-megapixel shooter on its BlackBerry Pearl, which hit the market last year. Yet popularity and success don't go hand in hand necessarily. While the 3.2 megapixel cameras are a far cry from the VGA models that used to dominate the market, many people still view camera phones as fun but not really useful. On the other hand, some users find camera phones quite handy for taking photos of accidents or recording major events, such as the 2005 bombings on the London Underground. And some users don't really like them at all. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts in our latest Make the Call discussion. Are camera phones really that useful?

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Article discussion: On Call: When carriers don't tell the whole truth


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"Cingular is VERY adept at misleading customers!"
by Forgewizard (See profile) - May 6, 2007 10:10 PM PDT
As an AT&T client I was encouraged to "upgrade" my phone to a GSM phone whenI was a forced migrated AT&T client. When Cingular took over AT&T I was informed that I need... (Read more).
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I don't care about GSM OR CDMA, but...

I don't really know the full meaning or features of either GSM or CDMA. I use a ... (Read more)
by RazrPSPnanodude (See profile) - April 19, 2007 10:13 PM PDT

CDMA is the reason why we have bad service

I can say this with a straight face because I've been to Europe and roamed in Eu... (Read more)
by i_am_still_wade (See profile) - March 21, 2007 9:37 AM PDT

Question: Old ATT Plan - Old SIM Card - New Phone

I'm on the old ATT plan ($99 unlimited talk - don't want to switch). I have an ... (Read more)
by tempelife (See profile) - March 18, 2007 12:47 AM PDT
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Left Cingular early.....much happier now!

We had been with Cingular for a number of years (at least 8, maybe more)and had ... (Read more)
by stingmom8 (See profile) - March 17, 2007 4:47 PM PDT
5 out of 5 users found this comment helpful

Verizon Lies

We recently got a letter from Verizon thanking us for being a loyal customer (Read more)
by jturnerspfld (See profile) - March 16, 2007 9:41 PM PDT
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Cingular & Fibs

we got a letter 12/05 stating that after 1/06 our plan wouldn't be any good . Sa... (Read more)
by maryacats20 (See profile) - March 16, 2007 10:59 AM PDT

Three's Internet Scam

I signed up with Three (in the UK) attracted by an offer which included bundled ... (Read more)
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From experience as customer & Worker they Never do

I briefly worked for one of the largest (prob. the largest) cell phone providers... (Read more)
by domainxess (See profile) - March 15, 2007 7:49 AM PDT
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Cingular wireless

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