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October 23, 2006, 10:17 AM PDT
Today's Norton antivirus: unusable by normal humans
Posted by: Rafe Needleman

"When you have a few minutes," my father asked me on the phone last night, "could you help me with my antivirus stuff?" The trial version of Norton AntiVirus 2006 on his three-month-old Lenovo laptop was expiring, and he was bit confused by the upgrade warning, so he wanted me to help him through the transition. One of the options was to upgrade to Norton AntiVirus 2007, for $39 (after the $10 promotional coupon he got in e-mail). Sounded good to me.

"Sure," I said. "It should only take a few minutes." I took control of his computer via LogMeIn and set to work.

Nearly an hour and a half later, hungry and irritated, I hung up and disconnected. The upgrade was complete. My father said, "I could not have done this without you." He was right, and that's why I was mad.

The upgrade required a complete uninstallation of the the 2006 product, which took a good 10 or 15 minutes and required a reboot. The download and installation of the 2007 version took nearly an hour itself and required its own reboot. It also asked for registration information that duplicated the info my father had given when he bought the new software online, leading him to think he was starting over. There were choices to make that he didn't understand and offers for products he didn't need. At several times during the process the computer appeared to be locked, and my father was tempted to turn it off and reboot. Before we said our good-byes, my bewildered father said to me, "Can't you write something about this? Make them change?"

So this is for you, Dad.

For everyone else: Nobody should have to deal with this. When the antivirus subscription that came with your PC expires, don't immediately jump to renew or upgrade what you have. There may be a better product out there. Also, the next time you're thinking of getting a new computer, take a serious look at the Macintosh.


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68 messages

I have found the Solution!

I totally agree with this whole thing. I was looking for an alternative and found it...www.AdvancedAntiVirusSolutions.com It works great for me, maybe it can help you guys out.
by Kquinn57 (See profile) - May 13, 2008 8:22 PM PDT

Where did Peter Norton go?

It all started when Peter Norton quit appearing on the cover of the product with his folded arms. If Peter was on the box you had an idea that it was going to help. How could you not?

As far as security suites go I like Trend and MSFT One Care over NAV.

By the way Rafe, buy the Mac. Your constant slam of Windows is getting old.
by lo-tek (See profile) - November 8, 2006 9:09 PM PST

Get a Mac !!!

I had endless problems with my laptop. My tech guy spent so much time at my house I was going to start charging him rent! When it melted down I got a $900 iBook and couldn't be happier. Never had a virus, I can fix most any problem by going online and asking (only had to twice in a year and a half). . . I'll never go back.
by La reina (See profile) - November 8, 2006 10:49 AM PST

Norton is and has not been -- paying attention

I would have to agree with your assessment of Norton at about the 150% level.

First off I should say that I was a VERY LOYAL Norton customer for over 10 years, back to the days when Peter Norton was involved. Please note that the emphasis in this statement is on the "WAS".

I had a similar support issue with my father when he called in a PANIC to say that his Norton antivirus showed a last update of over 3 months in the past. That made ME mad since I set it up to check EVERY DAY. When I realized that Norton paid so little attention to their consumer products that the antivirus could sit around "fat dumb and happy" for almost 3 months and not complain that any and all Liveupdates had failed, there is something VERY wrong.

So, next I looked at their knowledge base and was encouraged by the fact that there was a solution. I was SHOCKED to find out that it was not a feat to be attempted by, as you say normal humans...
It required uninstallation --
Removal of Norton subdirectories -- and then
Several Registry edits
Then reinstall and "it will probably work"
Reality is that when I was through it did work -- Good news

The moral of the story: When my dad's antivirus/security suite came up for renewal, I helped him change to Trend Micro's Internet Security, including PC-cillin.

Rob Winchell, Co-Host Computer Outlook
by robw003 (See profile) - November 8, 2006 8:12 AM PST

Try PC-Cillin from Trend Micro

PC-Cillin from Trend Micro works well for me. I don't remember having had problems with install or upgrade or renewing. And I have not been infected by a virus for several years now, although my machine is permanently connected and seldom switched off.
by david.llewellyn (See profile) - November 8, 2006 3:19 AM PST

NORTON SUCKS!

Symantec has world-class bad customer service. They would not even provide the methodology to uninstall the registry keys for a 2004 product which did not exist on the machine. There answer: install the 2004 product again and then delete it! Wonderful. Since our licensing was expiring, we changed to Kaspersky and it beats Norton hands down.
by srlevine1 (See profile) - November 1, 2006 5:00 PM PST

stopped using NAV after a decade; switched to AVG

[IT Consultant, 18 years experience]

Starting 18 months ago (with the 2005 version) I had to give up on Norton Antivirus after a decade or more of faithful use. Resource hogging, long installation/upgrade times, confusing renewal process, error messages, liveupdate crap-outs - and I'm supposed to pay $30-$50 a year for this! World class firewall, antispyware and OS updates are free, why not antivirus? I switched to AVG Free and haven't looked back. Fast install, seamless updates and daily scans, reasonable resource usage. JUST WORKS and no extra time (read $) wasted. Thank you Grisoft!

P.S. Still use and recommend Norton product for supporting small business networks. This product remains robust and reliable and therefore, valuable.
by craigvogel (See profile) - October 31, 2006 6:18 AM PST
10 out of 10 users found this comment helpful | 2 comments

Norton Lost sight

I purchased Norton Internet Security 2006. Used it two months, deleted it and will never use it again (junk) nothing but problems.
I now use Trend Micro PC-cillin Internet Security 2006 and they update daily and sometimes more than twiced daily.
Very user friendly.
by chuck_moss (See profile) - October 30, 2006 4:58 PM PST
5 out of 5 users found this comment helpful

Norton A Real Pain!

In addition to all Norton's other faults, such as taking over and all-but-dominating my PC(I see no need to have an anti-virus function in my recycle bin) when I decided to get rid of it, the deletion corrupted my Help and Support file (I run Windows ME) and I have yet to find help that will restore my Help file to it's former healthy state!
by cybrat (See profile) - October 30, 2006 12:15 PM PST

Norton Anti-Virus Upgrade Nightmare

I too experienced this. Norton seems to be so paranoid about their security (so afraid that someone is going to cheat them out of a buck) that they have made the upgrade the worse in the industry.

My solution was to write-off the $ I spent on the upgrade and and go to Costco and buy a new copy of the latest Anti-Virus Professional (the security suite isn't worth taking home). This installation went OK. I personally like their A/V Pro software but will never buy another upgrade and have been testing other products on my other PCs.

oldsalt007
by oldsalt007 (See profile) - October 30, 2006 8:37 AM PST
15 out of 15 users found this comment helpful

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