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David Katzmaier

Tru details on Blu-ray players

Posted by: David Katzmaier
January 05, 2006, 3:36 PM PST

Pioneer BDP-HD1
Pioneer's BDP-HD1
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Samsung BD-P1000
Samsung's BD-P1000
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Sony BDP-S1
Sony's BDP-S1
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Hot on the heels of Toshiba's HD-DVD player announcement, the Blu-ray camp showed off its hardware. The most fully detailed unit is the Pioneer BDP-HD1, available in May for $1,800. The player features 1080i/1080p upconversion and home-networking capabilities, along with the standard Blu-ray features--namely, the ability to play the 50GB discs. It includes analog standard-def outputs, but the Blu-ray group is still discussing whether to allow high-def output over analog (see below). This extremely expensive player stands in stark contrast to the $499 HD-DVD player announced by Toshiba, giving the HD-DVD camp something to brag about, at least for now.

The second-most detailed Blu-ray player announced came courtesy of Samsung. The company's BD-P1000 will likely be the first stand-alone Blu-ray player on the market; Samsung is targeting April availability, pending last-minute resolution of issues with Blu-ray's Java component. At $1,200 list, the unit will cost significantly less than Pioneer's.

As we mentioned, the Blu-ray group has yet to determine whether to allow the players to pass high-definition video via analog component-video outputs in addition to digital HDMI. Hollywood studios are loathe to allow HD via component because they perceive the analog output as a copy-protection loophole that might be exploited by pirates. HD-DVD has already announced that its units would not pass analog HD resolutions, instead downconverting all analog outputs to standard-def. We hope Blu-ray allows HD to pass via component, since it would allow people who own HDTVs that don't have HDMI or DVI/HDCP inputs to enjoy the new format, but we're not optimistic.

Details from other manufacturers were vague. LG also announced a Blu-ray player at its press conference, and its PowerPoint slide also mentioned 1080i/1080p upconversion. To utilize Blu-ray players' 1080p output, a high-definition television needs to have 1080p input capability via HDMI--a rarity in today's HDTVs but something that will become commonplace in 2006 models. LG didn't announce pricing and mentioned an availability time frame of "spring" in the press conference Q&A session, accompanied by a chuckle and an admonishment that a couple of issues still impede Blu-ray's availability.

Sharp also showed a Blu-ray player at its booth. It didn't stipulate pricing, and availability will be the "summer of this year." Philips, for its part, chimed in with a "competitively priced" player, and its spokesperson seemed optimistic that the Blu-ray group would approve the passing of HD resolutions via analog output. Sony didn't have any details on its Blu-ray player aside from a model number (BDP-S1) and availability of "early summer."

Pioneer also announced a PC-based recorder, model BDR-101A, that will be available Q1 2006 (list price: $995). It's primarily targeted for professional use, and unlike the non-PC-based Blu-ray units above, it can actually record. Samsung also had a couple of PC-based recorders in its booth, including a portable USB version. None of the companies we spoke to would speculate on when a non-PC-based recorder would be available, and many cited copy-protection issues as the major stumbling block.

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ALL BRANDS ARE NOT WORTH BUYING AT THIS TIME

I RETURNED THE LATEST SONY BLU-RAY TO CIRCUIT CITY TODAY BECAUSE TO THEIR AND MY AMAZEMENT, IT DOES NOT PLAY SACD DISKS. ALOT OF 'THE LATEST AND GREATEST' TYPES HAVE SACD LIBRARIES AND THESE MACHINES WILL NOT PLAY THEM. WHAT A MARKETING BLUNDER. I DO NOT WANT TO ADD ANOTHER CHAISSE TO MY SYSTEM. I WILL WAIT UNTIL THEY INCORPORATE THIS FEATURE INTO A LATER VERSION.
by JERRY ROBSON (See profile) - June 22, 2007 3:45 PM PDT

HD over Analog

I'm not to sure that it makes much of a difference on whether or not "Pirates" will attempt to circumvent the copy-protection whether or not the signal is going to be delivered over Analog or not. Personally I would love to see it delivered over Analog. Thus would give them a considerable advantage over the HD-DVD format which will not be deliverable over Analog. However, even if it is deliverable over HDMI only, it is in my opinion that all "copy-protection" is faulty in some way. There is always a way to get past it. No matter how hard a company works to protect it, it will be cracked. The question is just how difficult will it be, when, and how long will it take? Like the old saying goes, they are only delaying the inevitable. The inevitable is, it will be cracked no matter how it gets delivered. History has told us that over the past decade and most likely will continue to do so.
by mgss0lidsnak3 (See profile) - July 13, 2006 8:04 AM PDT

what is denon doing? anybody know?

i will wait for their machine proabably. although i bought the original pioneer
dvd/ld combo player which came out the same relative time for dvd that we are
in for hddvd/bd and it still runs and looks pretty great. only use it for ld's now
tho...

by dtich (See profile) - May 23, 2006 10:19 AM PDT

$1800 for the blu-ray player

um... could these guys think of a more ridiculous pricetag? thanks but no thanks. I'll fork out the $500 or so for the toshiba hd player & then just dvr high def events like I've been doing. $1800. that's madness.
by superguy71 (See profile) - April 14, 2006 10:42 AM PDT
5 out of 5 users found this comment helpful

Here we go again . . .

Does anyone else find this an incredibly frustrating business as we trawl back into BetaMax vs. VHS reruns? For those of us who have sprung for screens with 1080p capability via HDMI, why opt for a technology which doesn't support it? Perhaps the recommendations article is talking complete sense when it talks about movies on demand supporting 1080p effectively making this whole Blu-Ray vs. HDDVD format war completely redundant?
by Max Turpie (See profile) - March 28, 2006 2:03 PM PST

How will the HD Or Blu-Ray look on todays HD TV's?

I have a HD tv now & watched the Olympics in HD over the air & that was cool. If I get a HD or Blu-Ray player will I get that quality of a pitcher (Using a HD dvd disc) on my current HD TV (it is a 1080i tv)? Will they even work w/ the current HD TV's; HDMI &/or Component to get true 1080i quality pitcher, like the over air HD?

I know I did not ask this question right, so I hope you understand want I am asking.

I am asking because I am looking @ getting the new sony XBR CRT & it only goes up to 1080i, or should I wait & stay w/ my 30", & cross my fingers that they will make a 1080p CRT. I don't want a 50+" tv for my bed room & I am a big fan of CRT, too.
by givemeaname (See profile) - March 4, 2006 4:52 PM PST
0 out of 10 users found this comment helpful

One more thing: Xbox 360 and HD-DVD?

I´m sure most of you know by now, that the Xbox 360 will get an external HD-DVD drive later this year.

But wait a second! Does not compute!

The Xbox 360 connects only through analog (component and VGA). It has no digital options for HDTV. Now I hear that analog HD won´t be supportet by HD-DVD. Now how is this going to work? Is it going to be an external drive that has a separate digital output? What would I need the 360 for then? So unless/until we hear about a new digital output option for the 360, there won´t be an HD-DVD drive!
by roeller (See profile) - February 17, 2006 4:18 PM PST
5 out of 5 users found this comment helpful

Of course BD ist backward compatible to DVD!

Where did you read that? Or did you just make it up to make Blu-Ray look bad?

1. Not making it backwards compatible to DVD and CD would be suicide!
2. I´ve downloaded a video from ign.com where a nice lady from Samsung confirms that their BD-player will play DVDs.
3. PS3: It will be backwards compatible to PS2-games! Hello?! Those are DVDs too.

Next time think for a second before you create rumours like that, please! Thanks!
by roeller (See profile) - February 17, 2006 4:12 PM PST
5 out of 5 users found this comment helpful

Blu-Ray won't play standard DVD

The stand alone Blu-Ray players, as well as PS3, are not going to play standard DVD's. This is the big hit on them (as well as $$$$) when compared with HD-DVD. Read here for some recent info on the suspected price of PS3.... Pioneer predicts $799. http://www.cnet.com/4520-11405_1-6415593-1.html
by kazankota (See profile) - January 31, 2006 4:04 PM PST
0 out of 10 users found this comment helpful | 1 comment

bluray WONT.

the date of this article was 12/6/05. It clearly states in here that bluray has not decided whether or not to support HD through analog. The AACS had it's way and now BOTH HDDVD AND BLURAY players will NOT support HD resolution through analog. Instead they will downgrade to 956x540 instead of either 1920x1080 or 1920x720.
by jtvance (See profile) - January 27, 2006 10:17 PM PST

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