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October 31, 2008 2:45 PM PDT

Married with iPods, Part 1: I hate your music

by Donald Bell

Photo of laptop, iTunes, and three iPods.

Managing two or more people's music in a single iTunes library can get messy. In the distance, you can see the CD rack that once made things so simple.

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Back in the CD era, it was easy to keep my wife's music collection separated from my own. We kept my CDs on one side of the shelf and her CDs on the other side, and the few CDs we both enjoyed would sit somewhere in the middle. The territorial lines were easy to maintain, and for the most part, music was never an issue in our house.

In the MP3 era, however, everything's become more complicated. We have a central home computer that hosts our collective iTunes music library. Unfortunately, the CD shelf system we've relied on for years doesn't translate on the computer. Her Tori Amos and Fiona Apple are right up next to my Squarepusher and Black Keys, and our iPods don't include a "his and her" music feature.

Photo of Tori Amos album.

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Granted, we could have made separate user profiles on our PC with individual iTunes music libraries, but that would make it hard to share the music we have in common. (Editor's note: stay tuned for more on this approach, next week.) We also considered setting up our iPods to manually sync music instead of syncing automatically, but neither of us have the time to carefully groom our iPod's music collection and the extra step of manually ejecting our iPods each day can be a pain. We just want our shelf back.

Fortunately, I found a solution that worked for us. By setting up a couple Smart playlists, we made iTunes intelligent enough to reliably keep the worst parts of her music collection off my iPod, and vice-versa. Unlike typical playlist techniques, which create lists of music you enjoy, the beauty of this system is that it works off the music you hate--which is much more fun. If you're interested, I've put together a step-by-step slideshow on how it's all done.

If you've got your own method of maintaining peace with multiple iPods and a communal iTunes music library, help us all out by sharing it in the comments section.

Read part 2 of Married with iPods

Donald Bell is CNET Reviews' senior editor for MP3 players and portable audio, and one half of the MP3 Insider blog and weekly podcast. He also likes getting his hands dirty with digital audio tools for musicians and DJs.
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by salmanj1 November 2, 2008 3:05 AM PST
Well you could have built 2 libraries in the same User account. You can do that by pressing Shift while iTunes opens. However, If you prefer to have smart playlists. They are awesome too! I usually "group" tag my songs and make smart playlists for them.
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by irfan_bugmenot November 6, 2008 10:32 AM PST
Depending on if you want to go the 'inclusion' route (listener specific Group tag) or 'exclusion' route (Donald's black list suggestion), there will have to be tag or playlist administration either way.

It is always easier if there is only one person administering what goes into iTunes, that way it will hopefully be 'tagged' or excluded in the right way. I'm always forgetting to tag stuff coming in from the iTunes store (only buy non-DRM music kids), because I can't tag it before it's 'imported.' It's good to make a habit of distinguishing the song around the time of import (tedious for some).

As mentioned in posts below, tagging may be useful when multiple listening parties are involved. I sync two Smart playlists onto my iPod. One that has a Group tag of 'husband wife' and another that has 'husband' (includes 'husband wife' songs). My wife's iPod gets two Smart playlists that have 'wife' and 'husband wife'. That way depending on what iPod we have in the car, we can always play music that is bearable to both of us ('husband wife'). She's a lotta bit country, I'm a lotta bit rock 'n roll (metal).
by man_is_man November 2, 2008 3:55 PM PST
The best way to avoid this problem(and many other problems like it), is by simply not using an ipod. There are so many great players out there that allow you to easily manage your music just how you want. I am in love my archos 604's "drag and drop" feature. It's as easy as it gets.
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by mkdreams November 5, 2008 7:24 PM PST
The archos is great but hard to strap on to your arm at the gym!
by steel36 November 3, 2008 4:49 AM PST
I ran into the same issue, but the solution was easy and sort of obvious. Simply set your Ipods to sync only selected playlists, and create his/her playlists. I wrongly assumed that the music would just exist in the playlist on my ipod, but it still exists in all of the categories like it normally would. You can each add or remove music from your playlists and maintain them like normal. It has worked great on my 60gb and my wife's 30gb.
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by biltz987 November 3, 2008 4:52 AM PST
Why is this news? The dummies who have not figured this out already are unlikely to be readers of cnet. I have been managing multiple iPods with iTunes since they introduced Smart Playlists. Just assign a group and create a playlist and then sync. Brain surgery, isn't it?

As for man is man's comment, it is irrelevant which MP3 player you use, managing multiple libraries has never been a challenging problem that average intelligence could not solve, regardless of MP3 player. I do love my Archos 604 as well, though only as a movie player (too big to tote around in a pocket)
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by regulluz November 3, 2008 6:02 AM PST
To me, the best way hands down has been the Groupings Field. For example, if it's my iPod, I would add my name in the Grouping's field for that song, and will create smart playlist based on the Grouping. That way you could have "My Daughter" smart playlist, "My Son", "My Music" playlists all based on grouping. The good thing is, that a grouping field can have several names on it. Say, one song is liked by 2 out of 3: Well, it can have the name of 2 of us, and will appear in both playlists. You might get trouble if more than one person is managing your library, but if you're the only one... grouping is the way to go.
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by omegaknight17 November 3, 2008 7:04 AM PST
Why not just make a smart playlist that uses the comment section of each track. You could put in Don's Music as one and "My Wife's Music" in the other column. For music you want to share between the two, make comments that say "Ours." TaDa, so easy.
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by johnsonwj November 3, 2008 7:25 AM PST
Why deal with all of this? With the Zune software, plug in as many as Zunes as you choose, trade music from various zunes on your library (copy to your library function). This is included with the Zune software, no aftermarket anything. For Apple to be so "Free", they locked your music up worse than MS and you know that is sad.
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by ShowstopperIM06 November 3, 2008 7:53 AM PST
My wife and I just have different Login accounts in Windows. She keeps her music in her folder and i keep my music in mine. I setup her itunes to see her folder and my itunes for my own. Isnt that easier than setting up playlists and what not?
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by 9dosus November 3, 2008 8:03 AM PST
I love how everything revolves around the iPod and iTunes, which has all these problems built right in. How about doing what god knows how many other people do, get an mp3 player like a Zen or a Zune (as has been pointed out) and skip the i problems all together. I have a Zune, and both my husband and son have a Zen, and my daughter has a Sansa clip. We all sync using Media Monkey. Easy.
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by ShowstopperIM06 November 3, 2008 8:55 AM PST
I dont understand this issue, what is everyone sharing one account for several people? Theres a reason you can create different user accounts in windows and any other O/S out there.
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by peterbutler November 3, 2008 9:19 AM PST
> I would also suggest "alternative" portable media players. Unless you're exclusively into Apple products and/or iTunes, I don't think there's much point to iPods. I think there are better options now for listening and storing music. <

> My suggestions: Get a reliable old XP laptop (not easy to do) with decent specs and a 80GB hard drive to use as your digital media player. Keep as much of the music you want to hear to regularly on this PC (backed up to DVDs or external system and hooked up to home stereo system as you see fit). Create two directories in /music/ with His and Hers, then use iTunes/MediaMonkey, etc. to compile the shared library. MediaMonkey makes this particularly easy because you can sort your library tree by file location. Then, you know, just grab what music you want for your own portable player. ... The solution doesn't have to be complicated. <

>>> "neither of us have the time to carefully groom our iPod's music collection and the extra step of manually ejecting our iPods each day can be a pain" <<<

> I use a compact 2GB player now, which is what ... 15-20 hours? That's usually pretty good for at least a long weekend, if not a vacation. It's much easier for me to keep a "mass playlist" of ~20-25 albums/mixes compared to managing 40GB or something. It also encourages me to refresh music more frequently, which is a good thing, imo. All these suggestions may be geared towards the more obsessive music fans, fwiw. ;) <
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by make_or_break November 3, 2008 3:09 PM PST
omegaknight17's suggestion is EXACTLY the way I handle our combined library. I use sets of initials to identify which music "belongs" to who, and leave the Comments field blank when the song is considered shared, or at least a consensus by all is formed (which happens more often than I would've thought beforehand). Playlists acting as filters screen out the "undesirables" to the user's specific iPod, so harmonious, melodic peace is thankfully maintained.
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by jasonefmonk November 3, 2008 10:02 PM PST
@man_is_man
Drag and drop works on an iPod just as well as an Archos player. The fact is "Drag and Drop" is not the easiest way.

The best idea seems to be creating separate user accounts. If you are having problems with you and your significant other(s) music, chances are that movies, pictures and interface modifications will be an issue as well.

Other great ideas from omegaknight17 and steel36 sound survivable however. salmanj1 had a good point about multiple libraries as well. Here are the OS X and Windows instructions respectively ...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=iTunesMac/7.6/en/15499.html
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=iTunesWin/7.6/en/15502.html
... the OS X instructions should apply to iPhoto, Aperture etcetera.

@blitz987
Get your head out of your ass. CNET is a place for technology enthusiasts and people just trying to manage all the electronics in there lives. Not everyone has the "intelligence" that you do. Embrace the community or go elsewhere.
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by violetltw November 10, 2008 12:54 AM PST
I actually have a question, is there anyway I can keep the 'old' music in the IPOD and sync new musics fr another computer?
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