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What's the best new MP3 player--Ask the Editors

by Jasmine France

Ultracompact E50

(Credit: iriver)

Q: I'm looking for a good replacement for my obsolete MP3 player, but I'm just tired of seeing the iPod that everyone has. So do you guys have any suggestions for any decent upcoming or already-out MP3 players? Also, can I ask what you guys think of the Samsung P3, the Iriver E50, and the Sony Walkman X-Series? Are they worth it, and when are they coming out?--JL, via e-mail

Samsung P3 in repose.

(Credit: Samsung)

A: Since none of those players are out yet, and we therefore haven't been able to spend any hands-on time with review units, any opinions are preliminary at this point. I did get to spend a little time with the Iriver E50 and the Samsung P3, but I only saw the Sony X-Series Walkman under glass, so I don't have any observations on that besides what I wrote in the preview. Currently, Sony isn't releasing much info regarding a sale date, but early summer seems to be a safe bet. I can tell you that the Iriver E50 is like a smaller version of the E100. It has the same features and will probably offer similar sound quality, but it does have a higher-quality feel than the older player. One downside: I think the E50 is only going to go up to 4GB. It should be out any day now, though.

Similarly, the Samsung P3 offers almost all the same features as the P2 and will likely sound just as stellar as its predecessor did. The P3 also has a sleeker, nicer-feeling design, as it's constructed out of metal rather than plastic. It's also slightly more compact and offers an updated interface. Plus, some of the button placement is different. For example, the volume buttons are on the top rather than on the side. Incidentally, this is the one thing I'm personally not too fond of on the P3; I prefer volume on the side, but this is a seriously minute gripe. If you like touch screens, I think the P3 is definitely worth a look, and it's expected to hit shelves in mid-April.

Better than the X: Sony S-Series Walkman.

(Credit: Corinne Schulze/CBS Interactive)

As for players that are out right now, I have a few favorites. Far and above is the Sony Walkman S-Series, and you can read about my specific feelings on that in the review. There are also a couple others that I really like, but neither is very new: the SanDisk Sansa Clip for working out and, if you can find it, I still adore the Creative Zen V Plus. I do have to say as a video player, I love the iPod Touch. That's the only iPod I'll go to bat for, though, and I can certainly understand your sentiment about being sick of seeing it everywhere.

MP3 Mailbox Monday is a recurring feature where I answer a selection of questions about MP3 players and accessories, such as headphones, speakers, and music services and software. Check back often to see if the advice presented here might be of some use to you, or send your questions directly to me. (Note: We never include last names, but if you prefer to remain completely anonymous, please state as much in your e-mail.)

For more than five years, Jasmine France has covered a variety of tech products for CNET--from scanners to keyboards to GPS devices--but she's happiest where she is now: sitting atop a pile of MP3 players, "testing" every music service known to man, and jamming a variety of earbuds in every shape and color into her absurdly small ears. E-mail Jasmine.
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by 4dthinker February 24, 2009 3:35 AM PST
You're right on target again, Jasmine. Well done. The Samsung P2's case is stainless steel though, with the P3's case being aluminum. "Worth it" depends on what price the new player come out at. The Sony X1000 will have WiFi and that added potential. Sony tend to price it's players on the high side. If they price it the same or higher than the iPod Touch they won't sell any.
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by kasrhp1 February 25, 2009 5:53 AM PST
If you want great sound quality, touchscreen, a ton of codec support, and expandable memory, try the Cowon d2, or d2+. Its a fantastic player. Cowon is an audiophile quality brand of mp3 players and devices. I have an o2, and it blows away anything I have ever listened to.
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by forkboy February 25, 2009 7:30 AM PST
I personally cannot say enough good things about my recently purchased (December 2008) Sony S-series MP3 player. The sound quality is superb, which is, no doubt, made more apparent by the very good sounding included ear buds. I have yet to pull out my Shure ear buds for use.

On the other hand, I will take exception with the author's positive comments regarding the Creative Zen V Plus. We have owned two of this model and each has died in different manners within 18-months of casual usage. In addition, and unlike my new Sony, one has to install Creative's proprietary software before one can use the player. And their software bites. Or is it bytes?
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by frankwick February 25, 2009 9:06 AM PST
What about the Zune? My wife bought a flash based Zune and I was won over. The device itself is really nice but the Zune desktop software is an absolute pleasure. I think MS should WMP in favor of the Zune software.
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by brebuch1 February 25, 2009 9:22 AM PST
I can recommend the Sansa Clip. I got it on Black Friday at Best Buy for under $40 (4GB). Amazon has it now for about $10 more. Well worth it at that price. I use it for working out, and in my car using a line out. Features I love: 1) The player allows importing of Rhapsody Channels from my subscription 2) Internal battery 3) Great sound even with stock earbuds 4) Bright simple display, easy navigation 5) No need for aftermarket exercise band or carrier, just clip onto clothes. 6) 4GB is enough storage for my use, and I would argue for 75% of music listeners. Disadvantage: Small and light makes it easy to lose or accidentally put through the washer. Also, don't know much about Sansa's reliability. I am not going to slam Apple, but there are great alternatives out there especially if you like the subscription based music services. But that is another debate all together.
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by b_baggins February 25, 2009 9:48 AM PST
Funny how the meme that the only reason people were buying iPods was to be different has been quietly pushed to the back corner, never to be visited again...
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by iff2mastamatt February 25, 2009 12:23 PM PST
I like my Samsung P2 and my Sony S-Series Walkman. Two great MP3 players.
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by make_or_break February 25, 2009 12:48 PM PST
I agree about the Touch as a video device; it does a great job in that regard...and as an app platform. As a music device, however, it's average at best and not all that appealing to listen to given what I also own. I seldom use my 2G Touch for music, instead I prefer to use my 16GB Sony A829 most of the time; not as new as the S-series but still quite the sonic device. I've finally tired of Creative's foul Centrale software so I rarely use my Zen X-Fi anymore. I also am a fan of the Zune; I use my Zune 80 about as much as I do my Touch; the only drawback is that the Zune's battery life is pretty sucky and the Zune software does break iTunes metadata (so I don't feed the Zune new music all that much these days).
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by tek-ed February 25, 2009 1:10 PM PST
I can't agree with your Sony appraisal for the sheer fact that Sony is a bad netizen. They can *NEVER* be forgiven for their arrogance in thinking that they have the *RIGHT* to install a root-kit to spy on users music usage...which is bad enough as it is...but to write the code so badly that it causes mysterious crashes that cost users hundreds of dollars in repair bills is even worse! Then their "appology" If you can call it that was to call users theives and then offer them a pittance in the form of free music for albums that they already have!
Sony can never be forgiven for this and their arrogance cannot go unpunnished.
I can only hope that this economic downturn shows Sony that arrogance will not work and consumers cannot be bullied!
Ed
web/gadget guru
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by February 25, 2009 1:25 PM PST
I love my Zune. I've got the big bad 120Gb version and it has just been solid.
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by nwlarry08 February 25, 2009 1:31 PM PST
I researched all of these same players last fall and ended up with a Samsung P2 for the following reasons: Pros - slimmer than iPod Touch and less expensive (i don't do games either), beautiful video presentation (TV shows and movies), outstanding sound (esp. with a pair of bass boost in-ear buds). Bluetooth connectivity with cell phones or BT devices, eg BT car audio decks). Cons - lack of accessories such as docks in everything from TVs to toasters. But then I really don't find I miss that. Really a fine touch screen music and video player. Good luck!
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by lifelonglego February 25, 2009 2:31 PM PST
You should get the Zune definetly. I purchased a Zune 80 in december 07, and it is amazing. The Zune software is excellent. It has cool animations, is way faster than iTunes(even with animations turned on), and it is perfect for organizing my music, helping me discover music, and giving me information about all of my favorite artists. In december of 08, I got a Zune 4, and it has also been a delight.
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by dkarageo February 25, 2009 3:12 PM PST
The Sony or Samsung players are a good bet.

I have an 80GB Zune and though I like it fine it has two huge negatives: proprietary software (why ditch Apple proprietary nonsense for Microsoft proprietary nonsense?) and terrible battery life.
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by Pizzookie February 25, 2009 3:45 PM PST
Good article. I would recommend all of these players especially the Sansa Clip. Its the perfect player if you want something small and simple. I have one i use it in the painting studio because it does not get in the way when i am painting and i don't have to deal with my larger player. great quality little player. Best sounding compact player too, sounds better than any ipod or zune. All the players listed here are much better than the crapple ipod and the zune.
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by rhettp February 25, 2009 5:51 PM PST
I think its funny how you people are trying to find a good quality sounding "Mp3" player with the use of headphones. Finding an Mp3 player that is audiophile quality is like trying to find a Hummer that has good gas mileage. First of all, the use of a compressed file such as an Mp3 has taken the chance away of any digital music file to ever sound great. Second, we don't listen to these in an atmosphere where the sound can be fully appreciated. I usually listen to mine while jogging, on a plane, or on the street where there is massive background noise. Third, the headphones that are used and bought with Mp3 players are far from audiophile grade. Most decent earphones will cost you over $500 and thats more that most of us are willing to pay. I don't think the iPod is the problem here. The masses have eaten it up for its ease of use and convenience with the itunes store. Until there is a widely used audiophile format that can be downloaded from a major music store I don't think we even need to worry about the hardware. I own an audiophile home theater system in my home but when it comes to portable music my itouch suits me just fine.
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by tech_junkie14 February 25, 2009 8:49 PM PST
I completely agree with you, rhettp. Every time I buy a CD (which is rare now, sadly) I always encode it to a lossless format such as Apple Lossless. And I sync it with my iPhone. When I listen to the higher bit-rate, with higher quality headphones, the music sounds completely different and it's soo much more distinct and clarity is outstanding. Given that the iPhone isn't the best MP3 player for audiophiles, it's does a good job. But, encoding to a Lossless format is critical to getting that better quality. A combination of the Lossless format, highest quality hardware, and highest quality headphones, your music will sound completely different and you'll hear things you wouldn't have heard in the first place. It's sad how most people just buy music from iTunes Plus thinking that it's the highest quality DRM-free music you can buy. When in reality, buying the physical CD album is the best DRM-free, highest quality music you can purchase. Sad, really.
by forkboy February 26, 2009 4:39 PM PST
I think you completely miss the point of MP3 players: convenience. No one built MP3 players with the notion of creating audiophile sound quality. It was merely a manner by which one could take their music with them so that they might enjoy it on the go.

There is nothing wrong with trying to find a better sounding MP3 player (or headphones). One can look to the endeavor as a compromise between sound quality and convenience.

And how odd that you talk about audiophile quality, but own an iTouch. Apple MP3 players are quite well-known for their middle-of-the-road audio quality.
by pieisyummyandgood February 25, 2009 7:38 PM PST
You don't need to have $500 headphones for them to be decent did you forget about Audio Technica and Sennheiser those are better than alot of headphones! Don't bother with Bose those aren't that good!
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by ric822 February 28, 2009 4:53 PM PST
I am looking for an MP3 player that will allow me to download my ?Books on Tape? (they are actually on CD) without putting the chapters in alphabetical order and screwing the whole book up.
Any ideas?
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