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Zune HD hands-on look, impressions, tears of joy

by Donald Bell
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Photo of the Microsoft Zune HD MP3 player.

Do you believe in miracles?

(Credit: Donald Bell/CNET)

I'll admit right off the bat that I've been a pretty big fan of the Zune ever since I bought my first one back in 2007. I've also had some disappointments, which I haven't been shy about sharing--and last year's half-hearted Zune hardware refresh had me losing faith that Microsoft would be able to steer this one out of the ditch.

Well, having just geeked-out with a pair of Zune HDs for about an hour, I am tentatively reaffirming my faith in Microsoft. This thing was worth the wait, folks. Mind you, it's not going to crush the iPod Touch--a product that for all intents and purposes is more mobile computer than media player--but it's safe to say that the Zune finally has the power to make good on the promise of delivering one of the richest music experiences on a portable device.


How are they going to do it? Let's start with hardware. The Zune HD feels expensive, solid, and sexy. The metal enclosure is a little more angular than the curvy chrome of the iPod Touch, but feels just as nice and has the advantage of laying flat instead of teetering around. The body is just a little thicker than the iPod Touch, and not nearly as wide (as seen in this photo).

The front includes a 3.3-inch capacitive OLED touch-screen display covered with glass, and a single home button beneath it that behaves just like a normal button and doesn't replicate any of the Zune Pad functionality of previous models. The top edge includes a power button that also triggers the lock screen, the left edge has an iPhone-like volume rocker, and the bottom carries the headphone jack and Zune dock. For all you sound nerds out there, the Zune HD's DAC is the same Wolfson one used on previous models--which is good news in my book.

While we're talking output specs, here's something else to note. The Zune HD supports 720p video content, which you'll be able to purchase directly though the Zune Marketplace software. Video content purchased (or rented) through your Xbox can also be downloaded and transferred to your Zune by checking for them in your Zune Marketplace purchase history. The only hitch to this arrangement is that the Zune's screen doesn't natively support 720p playback, so content does get scaled down to 480x272 pixels. However, videos still look outstanding and if they had told me it was native 720p, I would have believed them. You can get 720p natively out of the Zune HD, but you'll need to dock it into the optional HDMI Zune dock and run it to your TV.

Another fun little fact for Zune fans is that the Zune HD has ushered in the return of EQ. I guess now that the thing is running on an Nvidia Tegra chip, they have a little extra battery life to burn with an EQ DSP. It's nothing fancy--just a handful of presets (rock, acoustic, hip-hop, and so on) with no user setting--but I'm happy to see it come back.

Some other cool stuff happening on the music front: recently added tracks are now grouped together a little more prominently using a more visual music submenu (shown here), along with a new feature called pins, where frequently accessed content can be bookmarked.

The music playback screen has also been given a lot of work. Without the benefit of a navigation pad or playback buttons, users will need to tap the middle of the screen once to access a large four-direction onscreen cross for play, skip, reverse, volume. Controls for favorites, shuffle, and repeat are found conveniently near the bottom of the screen, instead of buried in submenus.

The Zune's coolest music trick, though, is that it automatically pulls in a gallery of band photos, biographical information, and similar artist recommendations for any currently playing song--regardless of whether the track is from Zune Marketplace, your friend's hard drive, or torrents. It's feels a little more like digging through Last.fm now, instead of just a straight-up music directory. If the Zune's connected to Wi-Fi, listings of related artists will link though to the mobile version of Zune Marketplace, where tracks can be streamed and purchased directly.

Speaking of Wi-Fi, the Zune's new Web browser smokes. Not since first using the iPhone have I been this impressed with a mobile Web browser. There's no branding on the browser, but I was told it was cooked up by Microsoft's Internet Explorer team (makes sense). Page load was snappy, and pinching and reorienting pages work just like the iPhone and iPod Touch. You also get a fast onscreen keyboard with a nice little magnifier effect with each keystroke. The only bad news on the browser is that there's no support for Flash audio and video content. So Pandora and YouTube are out, but I was able to get onto Facebook and Twitter.

I didn't have time to go too deep with features such as video, Social, HD radio, photos, and Marketplace, unfortunately. I also couldn't shake a price out of the Zune representatives, although I was reassured by the incredulous looks I got when I told them how much Sony is charging for the X-Series Walkman. I also couldn't nail them on battery life, but it's safe to say this is going to be a big step forward for Zune users accustomed to daily charging breaks.

Another big unknown is the extent of the updates the Zune team have made to the Zune software. My sense is that the updates are fairly significant, but only time will tell.

For another hands-on take with the Zune HD, check out Matt Rosoff's Digital Noise blog. Also, stay tuned for a formal, full-blown CNET review once the product hits stores this fall.

Update: The Zune HD is now officially available for ordering.

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Donald Bell is CNET Reviews' senior editor for MP3 players and portable audio, and one half of the MP3 Insider blog and weekly podcast. He also likes getting his hands dirty with digital audio tools for musicians and DJs.
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by RicardoDawkins August 4, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
hey...nice and fast hands-on.
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by empirestatebuddy August 5, 2009 4:08 AM PDT
This has got to be just a precursor to a Zune phone, right? From what I've read about WinMo7, it's based on the Zune UI.
by NPGMBR August 5, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
I'm not gonna bother waiting around for the next review because I'll have mine before you guys have a chance to post it. ;-)
by windooor7 August 5, 2009 1:04 PM PDT
I kind of ,have no excuse for ignorance. Its time this companies realise how crucial display is when it comes to this kind of devices. buyers spend most time on display. it has to reflect current standards atleast 3.5 which by the way is not that huge. its just right. right now i,m loooking at my ipod touch then comparing to the image of zune in here, and its a disgrace all the way to visa or mastercard. I KNOW they dont want it to be apple, they want to be unique but you cannot be unique when you have nothing to present. i hope this is just a PROTOTYPE I,M LOOKING AT.
by dhavleak August 5, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
@ windooor7

I think the screen is actually one of the *best* things about the Zune HD. It's got an excellent resolution, and it's an OLED so it should be easy to use outdoors and even in direct sunlight.
by Mistuh_Jesus August 5, 2009 5:06 PM PDT
I am very outspoken with my hatred for Microsoft, but even I have to admit this is a sexy piece of hardware. It's got a gorgeous oled display and the metal frame looks bad ass. Too bad you gotta use the ****** Zune software.
by beeroge1020 August 8, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
^people always say that the zune software sucks. have you ever used it? it's definitely the best music softwares i've used.
by CDubber August 8, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
"Tears of joy?" Are you serious? Can you imagine CNET using the phrase "tears of joy" about an Apple product? Of course not. And if they did, can you imagine the backlash?

Yet waxing rapturous about a Microsoft product is fine, eh? Well...this is CNET after all...

Can't wait for Apple's September iPod refresh, where Zune gets left in the dust...again.
by DarkishArchon August 9, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
What the heck are you talking about, CDubber? Cnet is incredibly apple biased; they consistantley bash microsoft, report twice as much on appl (I've counted) and even have "the apple byte." show me the bias.
by Dalmatian28 August 9, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
There is no excuse for living out camera and microphone on the new Zune! I want to install Skype on this thing so I can live my phone at home! That 720p is useless...why would I want to connect my Zune to LCD when there is a million other ways to watch your videos. It took away space for the futures that we really need! They could have made Zune to be portable XBox. I am waiting for the day when I will be able to come home from work and pull SIM card from my "business oriented" phone and put it into my PMP and have all the freedom that I want on my PMP without being forced to carry two devices to do that. FCC need to make Mobile service providers to be exactly that ....a service providers! That way the service providers will not be able to tell manufactures what to produce and limit their creativity!
by kpancrazio August 11, 2009 12:30 AM PDT
@cdubber:

blown away by what, exactly? An ipod touch with a camera and a slightly faster clock speed? All you have to do is look at the minor unique upgrades provided to the iphone 3G vs the iphone 3GS to see that apple is stagnant in the PMP field. Partly because they can't surpass the Iphone with the Ipod Touch... Iphone fans wouldn't like that, much. And partly because they're resting on their laurels, just like Sony was with the Playstation... Get ready for the Zune360.
by Boomstickedition August 4, 2009 7:14 PM PDT
Awesome job Donald! I'm getting a Zune HD as soon as its available! I'm glad to hear the web browser rocks!
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by cbaisa August 5, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
yeah me too. i attend Indiana University, and we have 100% campus wide wi-fi. I'm glad my zuneHD will be able to take advantage of that smoothly.
by jakemochas August 5, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
looks like its going to rock... i'm getting one too! I wish that you could review wether or not there is an app store or xbox games... because that Tegra Chip is just ready for some gaming :)
by z_master August 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
Yea, this thing looks really awesome. I'm going to try to get one once they come out.
by Spartan_458 August 13, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
I can't wait to get one! I love my Zune 80, and the HD looks amazing.
by tturtle2007 August 4, 2009 7:17 PM PDT
Thank you! What everyone wants to know... Does it have apps or games? Or they holding out til closer to launch to let us know?
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by audiodonald August 4, 2009 9:43 PM PDT
They were tight-lipped on this one, but not dismissive. I get a sense both features are on their radar, but also that they probably won't be pursuing games and apps as aggressively as Apple with the Touch.
by j_a_s_p_e_r August 5, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
I believe XNA studio has tools and a similator for Zune. Anyone else know more about this.
by danBarker August 5, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
@j_a_s_p_e_r. Yeah, XNA has support for the zune; but, probibly obvious, it has no support for the ZUNE HD.
by renGek August 5, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
You can always play online games. I'm not a big fan of proprietary apps that companies seems to be embracing because its a big finger to web apps which the industry has been moving to for the last 10 years.

But obviously since the browser doesn't support flash you can't play flash games. i think not having flash support is a major oversight on this just like on itouch.. Instead of copying itouch, they should one up them. You won't realize how important flash support is until you go to a site and can't see the stuff you want to see.

The OLED is a nice touch but I'm guessing that also adds to the price.
by Banshee1990 August 13, 2009 11:55 PM PDT
well they are working on Flash support but have yet to get it all worked out It should have a firmware update for it.
by DeviceGuy August 4, 2009 7:27 PM PDT
Does the HD really shut all the way down? Or does it go into that "soft" shutdown for a time before fully off? That's annoying on the Zune80 because I'd rather save the battery life when I want to turn it off rather than a rapid restart should I change my mind. Don't mind waiting for a true boot.
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by xxnevamorexx August 4, 2009 8:12 PM PDT
just a little hint, you can fully shut down your zune by holding the back button and down.
by audiodonald August 4, 2009 9:57 PM PDT
Can't say I checked, but as someone who's been using a Zune side by side with iPods over the past two years, I can empathize with your impulse to conserve the Zune's disappointing battery life. But with the new Tegra chip in the Zune HD, you're looking at a totally different architecture with big focus on battery efficiency. My sense is that battery life may match or surpass the iPod Touch, but they were understandably wary to throw out any numbers yet.
by DigitalAngelic August 4, 2009 7:30 PM PDT
Sweet. Xbox video on Zune. Can't wait!
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by DeviceGuy August 4, 2009 7:32 PM PDT
When you get a look at the updated software, let us know if they brought back Quicklist, or better yet, if we now get both Quicklist and "Now Playing" When they released the update that eliminated Quicklist, I was glad I waited to read reviews before updating. Ever since, I have intentionally continued to run the old firmware and have been ignoring the updates because I don't want to lose Quicklist - I use it a lot (and it is not the same as "Now Playing"). Crossfading would also be a neat-o addition.
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by nimpheus August 5, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
i can empathize with your point DeviceGuy. I was one of those who resented upgrading the firmware once I realized that the Quicklist feature was gone. And yeah, including crossfading would be awesome.. cant wait.
by terminalblue August 5, 2009 6:41 AM PDT
i yeah i miss the quicklisting too, and now playing is a nightmare to use. hope they will just let you make playlist on the fly with the HD
by audiodonald August 5, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
The new "pins" feature might do the job. The way it was explained to me was that you pin and un-pin content to the top of your main music page so that you could access your favorite songs easily. Not sure if you can pin whole albums or playlists, but it seemed like a nice idea. Shot #3 in the gallery shows this off a little.
by zunedhian August 4, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
Internal Speakers?
Applications?
Games?
*** no Flash!? From zune.net.zunehd " full-featured web browser " I guess not.

I still want one, I'm just a little disappointed, its supposed to run Nvidia Tegra, it fully supports adobe flash, this doesn't make sense....

:(
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by terminalblue August 4, 2009 9:00 PM PDT
no internal speaker...thats just a silly gimmick
apps and games...if you dont see them on launch day you ill see them in six months (based on MS's history of zune rollouts), but it will mostly likely support XNA for homebrew
Flash...maybe in the future. Flash licenses cost money and most mobile devices dont want to buy a license for a device that will just drop its performance.

give it time...the first gen zune out of the box kinda sucked...but if you use the new firmware on it its pretty sweet...i will still get one though.
by BitTwiddler August 5, 2009 10:54 AM PDT
It's called Silverlight. MS has NO interest in supporting flash at all. customers be damned :(
by Brent212 August 5, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
Damn, no internal speaker sucks. Yeah, they never sound great, but they're not supposed to replace headphones or a good sounding stereo. There are all sorts of situations that I'm often in where I wish my ipod had a built in speaker. Sitting on the train drinking beers with some friends, for example.
by bigmc6000 August 5, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
No internal speaker is, honestly, a deal breaker. There are so many times when you'd like to share something with a friend or maybe use your music player when you go to sleep that lacking a speaker cuts down on its overall usefullness quite a bit. Once you've had one with a speaker you'll wonder what you did before it...
by rlcato August 5, 2009 8:51 PM PDT
@ terminalblue:
Tell me, how is 'no internal speaker' a silly gimmick? You must have no mates and you live in your own little world. Earphones are good but just to have some ambient music around you without getting tangled in wires and not being aware of your environment (social) is comforting.
by Banshee1990 August 13, 2009 11:57 PM PDT
because they completely suck no sound quality. The zune is built to give you the BEST music exp and it can't be done with internal speakers
by kormiko August 4, 2009 7:49 PM PDT
I wish it were "assembled in America."
We kinda need the work over here.

Whatever ... pretty soon everything will say "assembled by robots."
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by J2digital August 4, 2009 10:13 PM PDT
good call haha
by j_a_s_p_e_r August 5, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
Made in Robotica 0.9 beta
by spolastre August 4, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
It does look like they have greatly improved the Zune.
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by painterofwolves August 4, 2009 7:54 PM PDT
They've said flash should be coming shortly after the ZuneHD comes out. It sounded like they were trying to get it finished before but weren't able to.

And in response to Smartguy's question on turning the Zune80 all the way off, you need to hold the back button and down on the zunepad to do a hard shutoff.
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by 4dthinker August 4, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
Having to tap once for the play and volume controls is a mistake. It would be nice to see them take more advantage of the WiFi connection. A few apps like the Touch has (weather, stocks, email) would be easy, and guarantee I'd buy one.
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by bajanx August 5, 2009 12:41 AM PDT
Actually I think this is not to bad. I like going into my pocket and hitting the skip forward/rewind buttons without taking the zune out. The way this is setup you can still do this with a little practice. Tap on the screen, were ever you tap, to the left of that position is your rewind and to the right is your skip. Like i said it would take practice but this can be done i think. OK, I have a mobile phone here in Japan that has this same function of giving you the same function button layout where ever I touch the screen. I just tried it out and its doable. I am loving this ZuneHD news. Can't wait for the release.
by externallain August 4, 2009 8:12 PM PDT
This might seem odd but I'd really like to know if the Zune HD with stand on it's side (lengthwise) and not fall over. I have a Zune 2.0 and it's just think enough to stand on it's own. This allows me to watch pod casts and over video without hands or trouble. Please let me know. Thanks.
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by audiodonald August 4, 2009 10:15 PM PDT
Sorry, I'm fairly certain the tapered edges are too skinny to support it laying on its side. Good news is the Zune HD is much lighter than the hard drive-based Zune 80, so maybe holding it won't feel as much of a burden. Which reminds me, folks: the rented Zune Marketplace video content I mentioned won't work with older Zunes--only the Zune HD. Purchased content will still work, obviously. Kinda sucks, but that's the way it goes.
by August 4, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
Does it have Bluetooth so we can use wireless headsets?
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by audiodonald August 4, 2009 10:16 PM PDT
Nope.
by bajanx August 5, 2009 12:44 AM PDT
I was hoping it did have bluetooth. Beggers can't be choosers.
by Thunderbuck August 9, 2009 1:06 AM PDT
That SUCKS. I bought my wife a Zune 80 last year (a real leap of faith considering we're in Canada with NO Zune Marketplace support right now). It's a really nice device, but I decided to hold out for the HD.

Unfortunately, A2DP support is important for me. Especially in the form that Samsung implements it, where your PMP actually coordinates with your mobile phone.

This is a dealbreaker for me. Sorry.
by danielszabo1981 August 10, 2009 3:14 AM PDT
ouch.
by Mr. Dee August 4, 2009 9:09 PM PDT
Definitely gonna get one of these. Love the full black design, should go nicely with my computer.
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by Jashou August 4, 2009 9:50 PM PDT
Does it support uni-code?
I surely want to listen to some asian songs lol
and thats why i always hesitate buying Zune
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by Suboculis August 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT
Yes it supports unicode.
by Slick1of2 August 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT
I really want to know if it will play mkv files. Anyone know?
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by bajanx August 5, 2009 12:47 AM PDT
doubt it! MKV files are pretty large files. I think its WMV and MP4(H.264) I also think the files DLed from the marketplace is a HD WMV.
by GodWish August 4, 2009 10:33 PM PDT
I donot believe this crap, I feel this is totally a biased review, If Donald u are fan of zune i pity your imaginiation and taste. I have seen zune bought it and then gave away free , it sucks big time, its bulky, boring and a copy cat
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by xxnevamorexx August 4, 2009 10:39 PM PDT
i hope your not talking about the HD, because if you are i suggest you look at the comparison pictures
by appleish August 4, 2009 10:48 PM PDT
If you don't believe it, wait until Zune is released and try it yourself. :) Everybody has different taste. You don't need to pity anyone. I like my 1st Gen Zune and it is great. And I doubt you really own a Zune. :)
by heygeo August 5, 2009 12:53 AM PDT
Apparently Godwish can travel to the future as the Zune HD ISNT OUT YET. So thanks for your ignorant post..

Bulky and Boring is your opinion and your entitled to it but copy cat? uhm i didnt know that Apple invented the MP3 player.. i'm pretty sure there were like at least 5 different players prior to Apples iCrap.
by sjschaef August 5, 2009 4:40 AM PDT
We were so very close to having a hater free thread... and then you blew it! Look.. I am an iPod Touch user.. and own a Macbook Pro.. but seriously... quit the crap talking already. There are some really cool features in the Zune HD that Apple might 'copy cat' in the future. Why oh why must we have these ignorant people posting? Lets go with what your mother told you when you were a child.. if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Donald - I appreciate your insight and your reviews. You are always upfront with any personal 'bias' you have yet you always manage a tone/coverage that is fair.
by izmickey August 5, 2009 6:50 AM PDT
Well i dont like many cnet reviews but Donalds was unbiased to me. He clearly sates whats wrong with the ZUNE. IMO, i will definitely get this over the itouch. Believe it or not i havent had an ipod since it broke down in 2002 because it didnt offer what i wanted most....a RADIO. Zune had me at HD radio. BTW, i pity that narrow mind of yours, not everyone has your taste.
by krushyou August 5, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
Copycat? If anyone is a copycat it would be Apple since they stole the idea from Creative (and were sued and lost)
The Zune uses a dpad or touchpad vs wheel for Apple = different
Interface again is also different, you can select your choice from up/down left/right
Zune has built in radio and tagging
Zune has the social
Zune has sync via wifi
Zune has a visual display that showcases the artist's bio and random pictures

It sounds like you have no clue about the device and are just trolling.
Seriously, you gave it away free? Yeah, I call bs on this one...
by niko_osokin August 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT
Props on your excellent spelling. It highlights your intelligent points of conversation that as just as unbiased as any Apple fanboy comment would be.
by Rod Roddy August 8, 2009 7:20 AM PDT
@GodWish, Steve would be so proud...I hope your not suggesting Zune is copying Apple, don't even go there
by Renegade Knight August 24, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
In order to be a critic of taste, one must posess a certain refinement, and have taste themselves.
by August 4, 2009 11:35 PM PDT
Any news as to the hard drive capacity?
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by audiodonald August 5, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
I was sworn to secrecy on this one. Don't expect it to break any new ground, though. I think they're still going to keep the Zune 120 around for people who want a lot of storage.
by SactoGuy018 August 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
I wonder will Microsoft use high-capacity flash memory or an 80 GB hard drive to store music/videos on the Zune HD....
by Brent212 August 5, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
Dammit... so much for this thing's usefullness. Looked like it had potential.
by Get_a_life_Leo August 5, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
So you mean it'll come with 8, 16 and 32 GB sizes.....? I bet the price is very similar to the iPod Touch prices at those capacities too. The OLED screen looks nice but its size is a lot smaller than the Touch you compared it with. People shouldn't expect the ZuneHD to compete directly with the iPod Touch. It's emphasis is on doing things differently such as extending the Xbox360. Also, the new Touch will likely have a camera, possibly A-GPS and magnetometer further differentiating the two. Good to see some real competition though. Microsoft really dropped the ball after a promising start with the original Zune.
by danielszabo1981 August 10, 2009 3:25 AM PDT
My dying hope is that for at least one of the models, they'll forego a large hard drive and emphasize the use of cloud storage. Methinks this would offer a model at a lower price, help usher along the cloud-connected era, and really blow open the need for more complete wireless coverage. (note - I'm certainly aware that wireless connections aren't readily available in most places..but for city dwellers on a budget like me, this option would be PERFECT...)

Alas, I think I may be asking for the model 1 or 2 generations down the road. :(
by Banshee1990 August 14, 2009 12:05 AM PDT
as to the difference in size 16:9 they have the same screen size unless you like black around your player while you play widescreen videos. oled>>>>>>>LCD no backlight that means real black and easy as hell to read in full sunlight
by Renegade Knight August 24, 2009 7:14 AM PDT
That's the deciding factor for a few folks I know. The smiles start at 120gb. 32 is too small.
by SamheartBOL August 4, 2009 11:58 PM PDT
Will it be released worldwide?
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by atriusNY August 5, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
Yes they will. The US release date is somewhere in September 2009, but worldwide availability date is 'later this year'
by niko_osokin August 5, 2009 12:11 AM PDT
Any news on the price? I'm very, very, VERY excited about the HD; maybe I'll even learn some programming to get in on the app making.
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by audiodonald August 5, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
Not a peep on price. They wouldn't even indulge me in a game of "higher or lower?", although, like I said, they laughed a little when I handed them the Sony X-Series and told them how much it was selling for. Unless Zune somehow butchered the audio quality, I think the X-Series is sunk after this. Plus, the browser on the Zune makes Sony's look like a joke.
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