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October 3, 2007 4:43 PM PDT

Zune vs. Samsung

by Donald Bell
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Welcome to my first post on the newly relaunched MP3 Insider blog. I'll be updating this blog regularly with MP3 player-related rants and predictions. If you're a fan of the MP3 Insider podcast I co-host with Jasmine France, you'll probably enjoy this blog as well. I wanted to start with something classy, but instead, let's get the ball rolling with a juicy product smackdown.

After having a day to reflect on Microsoft's latest Zune offering, I began to think that perhaps the iPod vs. Zune battle is a little too obvious. Whether the iPod's position at the top of the MP3 player food chain is deserved or not, history has shown us that it will likely stay there. The real question is, "As the holidays approach, which MP3 player will come in second place?"



When it comes to interface and killer features, the challenger that Microsoft should really keep an eye on is the yet-to-be-released Samsung YP-P2 I reported on back in August. Although Samsung hasn't released pricing information yet, things could really heat up if the YP-P2 can get close to the the $149 and $199 price points of the iPod Nano and Flash-based Zunes. Not only does the YP-P2 offer a 3-inch touch screen and built in Bluetooth, but it also has the advantage of not being Microsoft. Honestly, after Apple's successful "I'm a Mac" smear campaign, it's tough to convince people that Microsoft makes cool gear (unless you've got Halo 3 as bait).

We've been able to dig up two videos on YouTube that demonstrate the interface for both the Zune and Samsung YP-P2. To be fair, the Zune video shows a demonstration by a product rep, while the YP-P2 is handled by someone who seems barely familiar with the product. In my opinion, both interfaces look equally stunning. Still, here's the four questions that I can't shake:

1. Is there a way to pronounce the YP-P2 without saying "pee-pee"?

2. Which is more useful, the YP-P2's stereo Bluetooth transmission, or the Zune's wireless syncing capabilities?

3. Are touch screens really a superior interface, or has the iPhone hype simply created that impression?

4. Just how well does the new Zune handle podcasts?

I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Until then, I'll be studying these videos. Sound off in the Talkback section if you've already declared a winner.

Microsoft Zune 80GB

Samsung YP-P2

Donald Bell is CNET Reviews' senior editor for MP3 players and portable audio, and one half of the MP3 Insider blog and weekly podcast. He also likes getting his hands dirty with digital audio tools for musicians and DJs.
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YP P2 price
by tbass87 October 8, 2007 9:38 AM PDT
The ypp2 is already listed on amazon.com at 250 for the 8gb.
The real choice here is weather you want more memory with a hdd or flash memory with a touch screen.
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Tell Me More Please
by Craig Stevenson October 8, 2007 9:42 AM PDT
1. Is there a way to pronounce the YP-P2 without saying "pee-pee"?

This is a silly point, but it was meant to be.

2. Which is more useful, the YP-P2's stereo Bluetooth transmission, or the Zune's wireless syncing capabilities?

Stereo Bluetooth reigns supreme to me. Wireless syncing is nice, but you'll still have to use a cable to recharge the battery, so I don't see much of an advantage to wireless syncing. I'd MUCH rather have wireless headphones.

3. Are touch screens really a superior interface, or has the iPhone hype simply created that impression?

Could be...

4. Just how well does the new Zune handle podcasts?

Good question...someone please answer! Not entirely happy with the way the iPod handles them; I have a few nitpicks.
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Touch Screen Vs. Touch Screen
by TCrimson05 October 8, 2007 10:27 AM PDT
Not That i want to seriously doubt Microsoft but I've yet to meet one person with a Zune. Which is a severe disadvantage when you consider the fact that The 'Soft tauts being able to share music when there is no-one to share it with.

No we're not going to be able to speak the samsung player without saying "pee-pee" but it's a small price to pay if Samsung can deliver on all fronts. I find the Bluetooth to be much more useful. You can sync it with headphones, your phone (to answer calls obviuously) and if your one of those lucky people with bluetooth in your car you should be able to stream it into the speakers wirelessly and still be able to paas it around the car without havin them sitting in the passenger seat (unlike an audio jack)...

Actually if Sammy does a good job with the player i think a Very good Prize-Fight for CNET to do is the obvious ITouch vs. YP-P2... that wound be a close one....especially one to decide which is more important....bluetooth or Web browser...in future Mp3 players. That could pretty important.

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Is there a way to pronounce
by KonradBerry October 8, 2007 11:31 AM PDT
"1. Is there a way to pronounce the YP-P2 without saying "pee-pee"?"

They should market it as the YiPPy-2 or YiPPy-duo.
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bad point!
by Deranged Cat October 8, 2007 2:00 PM PDT
It's not like I call my Samsung k5 the "Samsung YP-k5"
Just call it the p2!
then you can make pichu jokes.

-wes-
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Ipod VS Zune
by jafarm66 October 8, 2007 3:49 PM PDT
I have both a Zune 30GB and a New Ipod Classic 80GB. I personally find the IPOD better in Audio Quality but the Zune wins in video due to the screen size. The Zune sharing feature via Wifi is useless since there aren't any zunes around, if the Zune Downloaded from the Zune Marketplace via Wifi it would handsdown be the winner. Store wise the IPOD is a definite winner though the Zune store does have a few albums that Itunes store doesn't and vice versa but since I am into black metal that really doesn't matter. I still prefer the IPOD though if the Zune made a few little mods like (PLAY FOR SURE COMPATIBILITY) I would probably choose it.
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by chltmdwp2 June 3, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
haha really funny... ipod is known for delivering bad sound quality and is zune really that bad?? i always go for music qulity and design as a priority when it comes to buying one. i guess i would buy p2 over apple. BTW i think apple shouldn't copied from LG. Ipod touch looks ugly to me.
Screen sizes?
by swrobel October 8, 2007 5:20 PM PDT
How about some comparative screen sizes? If Samsung really managed to cram in a significantly larger screen in exchange for sacrificing tactile controls, then I'd say they win. On the other hand, it looks like there's a lot of unnecessary wasted space at the bottom there...
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Thanks for creating this blog
by blwilliams39 October 12, 2007 12:23 PM PDT
I just started promoting itunes on my http://www.onlineshoppingmallnbg.com web site. I'm interesting in finding out more about ipods, mp3 players, and such. What are considered good players? I need all the help I can get.
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zune and sammy loose to creative and sandisk!
by v__aravind October 13, 2007 4:15 AM PDT
Why would anyone in their right mind pick either of these two players over the Sansa View or the Creative Zen? You can get them both for $50 cheaper, or 16Gb for the price of 8Gb. They both offer much better feature set. The Sammy YPP2 might go up against the Ipod touch in the battle of the touch screens, but honestly, I think tactile feedback and proper buttons makes all the difference, especially if I need to operate them without looking at the screen. Except for the touch screen, even the Ipod is no match to the Zen or Sansa. If only people can get un-ipod-brainwashed.
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by chltmdwp2 February 29, 2008 9:43 PM PST
... you are comparing Creatice and SAndisk to SAmsung dude, perhaps you never used Samsung player, When i used Creatice or SAndisk , their quality feels cheap compare to Samsung players. And Samsung have really good sound engines so it sounds way better than ipod, Zune, or any other mp3 players out there, tohugh Cowon is very good too so there, i've done some hw for you. You are comparing Benz to Toyota to me.
one reason..quality
by Tech Wizard 2.0 October 13, 2007 6:25 AM PDT
The reason people spend the extra 50 dollars is because the better quality product you get. I wouldn't argue this too much except ive had a sandisk, creative, and used a Zune before..and I have an iPod.. So basically ive used em all and by far Creative and Sandisk are not up to the same standards in quality as Apple or Microsoft let alone Samsung.


BTW u spelled lose wrong in both ur posts.. >.<
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Creative has the same quality as iPod and Zune
by Zacm05 October 13, 2007 5:36 PM PDT
Creative puts out some of the highest quality MP3s around. Just because you
had one or two of them does not mean you can deduce the whole company
putting out cheap MP3s. I have had 4 of them and I go and check them out in
the store all the time as well as read all the reviews on them. Usually, the
Creatives score the same or better than iPods and Zunes. I still like iPod and
Zune too, they are great as well, but don't put Creative down. If anything,
they have some of the best MP3s, most of them doing more than the iPods
and Zunes can do, and at a cheaper price. I commend Creative for sticking it
to the other MP3 makers and raising the bar of quality and quantity of
features and construction of the player. All they need to do is make them
Mac compatible now as well. When Apple and Microsoft can finally get FM
radio and more format support like Creative does, then we might have an
argument.
by chltmdwp2 June 3, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
to zacm05, my friend had creative Zen. and it sucks.. button feels cheap, build quality suffers, hard navigation, bad sound quality compare to SAmsung's DNSe and the lcd quality. extra 50 dollars, i would definately own Zune or Samsung. period
Pronounciation
by hawkeyeaz1 October 13, 2007 10:36 AM PDT
YP-P@ can be pronounced Yip-py two or just Yipp two. No 'pee' in there.
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by jakeyloser09 November 10, 2007 9:40 PM PST
I've just always called my T9 "The Sammy" lol

I'm really looking forward to getting the p2. I think Zunes are nice too, but no one has them so the syncing thing is pointless. And because I live in rural Texas, the Ipod's WiFi is useless...also, I hate Apple.

Samsung has REALLY nice products, but I wish they'd give them more creative names! (P2, T9, T10, K3, K5, S5,) Blehh, LAME!
by gmtheace November 19, 2007 1:28 PM PST
testing
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