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February 6, 2008 12:16 PM PST

Why CNET raised the iPod Touch score

by Donald Bell
Photo of iPod Touch being used by Donald Bell.

The iPod Touch now offers more to love.

(Credit: Donald Bell/CNET Networks)

Apple has been throwing a lot of love at their iPod Touch MP3 player recently. A few weeks back at Macworld, Steve Jobs announced that the iPod Touch would now include the iPhone's e-mail, stocks, weather, notepad, improved maps, and Safari Web clip features, as well as support for Apple's new iTunes movie rentals. As of yesterday, there's even a new 32GB model to lust over. With all these new developments, Apple's iPod Touch seems less and less like the iPhone's feature-deprived sibling, and more like the touch screen, high-capacity convergence player we all wanted the first time around. Given all this, I think its fair the iPod Touch's rating gets raised a tick...and that's just what I did. The CNET score for the Apple iPod Touch has been raised from an 8.3 to an 8.7.

With all its incremental improvements, it's easy to miss the big picture of what the iPod Touch has become. Here's an incredibly thin MP3 player, with a stunning interface, an unmatched touch-screen navigation technology, up to 32GB of storage, e-mail that's a breeze to configure, a mobile Web browser that's actually fun to use, the best audio and video podcast platform on the market, support for inexpensive rented movies (on a screen that's actually worth watching them on), a YouTube video browser, and wireless music downloads from the most popular online music retailer on the Web. Sure, there are still features missing on the Touch that would be nice to have (Bluetooth, FM radio, built-in video output), but most of those missing features can be purchased as accessories. I can't purchase an accessory that will give the Zune movie rental support, or give the Archos 605 WiFi the integrated podcast subscription management of iTunes.

Of course, there's always the iPhone. Isn't the iPhone a better product than the iPod Touch? Maybe, but it lacks the 32GB capacity option. It also still comes with a whopping AT&T contract that puts its total price in the thousands of dollars. Most importantly, the iPhone is a phone. It's a different beast.

At the end of the day, I only added 0.33 points to the score of the iPod Touch. An 8.7 ranking puts the iPod Touch squarely in line with other 8.7-rated players, such as the Archos 605 WiFi, and the iRiver Clix.

Still think I've been drinking too much of the Apple Kool-Aid? Convinced that having to use iTunes inherently makes any iPod undesirable? Have a laundry list of MP3 players you think deserve an 8.7 rating before the iPod Touch? Sound off in the comments section.

Donald Bell is CNET Reviews' senior editor for MP3 players and portable audio, and one half of the MP3 Insider blog and weekly podcast. He also likes getting his hands dirty with digital audio tools for musicians and DJs.
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by Stevieboy_kool February 7, 2008 3:38 PM PST
I am QUITE dissapoined with this. Have you guys taken a second look at the Samsung P2 Lately? The price is @ $179 CAD in BestBuy. There have been TWO FREE FIRMWARE UPDATES with one more to come at the end of march. which included bluetooth phone support, better touch sensitivity, games, and other fun things. If any MP3 player deserves this score it would be the Samsung YP-P2.
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by PenaltyKillah February 8, 2008 4:32 PM PST
But there's one big thing that the P2's missing. Online Wi-Fi access. You get to watch YouTube videos. Besides, it's 8.7, not 9.7... give Don a break.
by roylikeswaffles February 19, 2008 5:48 PM PST
I agree. I myself have a P2 and it is really incredible. The P2 has AWESOME sound quality with tons of bluetooth support. I can easily connect it to my LG chocolate and answer calls through the microphone on the bottom. As he said, the the firmware updates are free. Although it might sound like no big deal, the firmware updates are more like OS update status. The firmware updates have so far improved the UI, added games, improved bluetooth support, added better sound quality, album art, etc. Videos look really crisp on the P2 and Samsung has been really dedicated to making sure everything works right with quick patches and even gives the customer a FREE 3 MONTH WARRANTY EXTENSION if they register the P2 online at the Samsung website. If that doesn't convince you, the 8GB version of the P2 costs about $100 cheaper than an 8GB iTouch. Also, Samsung plans to release a 3rd firmware update in March and they said that they will include user-suggested ideas and wishes as a part of this major update. Samsung also announced that they will release a 16GB version of the P2 soon this year so people won't have a reason to complain about the "lack" of storage capacity in the P2 for it's price
by LunarFlame17 February 8, 2008 9:42 AM PST
You missed one feature that the iPod Touch doesn't have which makes it a deal-breaker, at least for me. No support for subscription music services! I know I'm one of a handful of people who realizes how awesome subscription music is, but until iTunes has some sort of service like this (or, God forbid, the iPod is capable of working with Rhapsody or Napster), I will not, indeed cannot, get an iPod. Which kinda sucks, cause other than that, the Touch is freaking awesome.
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by fixmdude February 12, 2008 9:32 AM PST
I just got the iPod Touch 32 and I think it's so facinating to use that even when I'm sitting at my full computer with a 24" screen I still find myself browsing through my iPod Touch. It's so fun to look at and to use the touch screen. I can forsee Apple coming out with a usb touch pad that replaces (revolutionizes) the mouse, and a driver that lets it control your computer the same way that you can push around things on the iPod Touch with the flick of a finger. Today's mice require a lot of control with every move, you tell things the extact spot to go to all the time. This interface lets you just flick a finger as if you are using magic, and items center themselves and go exactly where you wanted them to end up. It's a hoot. I definitely find browsing through pictures much easier on it than on the computer. Just flick a finger verse double-click, wait, resize, center, close, double-click, wait... You still need a coomputer for detailed work like editing, but PCs are missing the fun daily-use part of the interface that the iPod Touch has.
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by ILikePi February 14, 2008 5:56 PM PST
Yeah, it does seem fun to look at, and I really like the graphics of the iPod touch :)
by rdunn February 14, 2008 7:08 PM PST
No WIRELESS (Bluetooth) STEREO. 'nuff said.
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by mountainloafers February 16, 2008 4:40 PM PST
All that you have had to say about the new touch improvements is "all well and good".... However, I have a large collection already in my windows media player that syncs perfectly with my zen v plus. iTunes will NEVER be on my computer.... I want one player for my computer and thats it. So, until apples can figure out how to cram files like wma, wva, avi, mp3, mp4 and other formats like OTHER SUBSCRIPTION services on their precious, trendy and touchy player. I for one will stick with what I got... Further more I can think of several better sounding mp3 players out there and isnt the "SOUND" of ones music really what counts most? thanks for letting me rant.
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by roylikeswaffles February 19, 2008 5:50 PM PST
I agree. I myself have a P2 and it is really incredible. The P2 has AWESOME sound quality with tons of bluetooth support. I can easily connect it to my LG chocolate and answer calls through the microphone on the bottom. As he said, the the firmware updates are free. Although it might sound like no big deal, the firmware updates are more like OS update status. The firmware updates have so far improved the UI, added games, improved bluetooth support, added better sound quality, album art, etc. Videos look really crisp on the P2 and Samsung has been really dedicated to making sure everything works right with quick patches and even gives the customer a FREE 3 MONTH WARRANTY EXTENSION if they register the P2 online at the Samsung website. If that doesn't convince you, the 8GB version of the P2 costs about $100 cheaper than an 8GB iTouch. Also, Samsung plans to release a 3rd firmware update in March and they said that they will include user-suggested ideas and wishes as a part of this major update. Samsung also announced that they will release a 16GB version of the P2 soon this year so people won't have a reason to complain about the "lack" of storage capacity in the P2 for it's price.

(I also added this post as a comment to Stevieboy_kool's reply)
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by tonenyc February 19, 2008 6:36 PM PST
STILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no fm radio! what kind of music device could be top rated and still not have an fm radio. as long as there's no freedom to the device, it will never be considered worthy. for now, it's great for the RIAA and MPAA but it's utility is weak at best. cute by all means. seems cnet is throwing away 8.7s for cuteness. if that's not the case, how much payola does one get to help apple further dupe it's customers? i need to get in on this action!
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by whatnow992 February 20, 2008 6:07 PM PST
I'm sorry guy, but I am not a fan of subscription music services, and never will be. Its part of the fun to collect music and build a library, and its not so fun when you say "where did my songs go? Oh yeah, they expired" or whatever they do, im not sure. Oh yeah, and no one offers a better way to get movies and tv shows on a portable device like iTunes and the iPod.
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by camel485 February 25, 2008 6:41 PM PST
I agree with all you homies talking about the awesome samsung P2. It is much cheaper than the ipod touch, has much better sound quality, lets you be free on where to get your music. Your not in Apples evil grip of death. Apple makes all their consumers purchase more and more apple crap. Samsung actually cares about the customers and gives you a free 3 month extended warrenty. I vote samsung, whos with me?
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by roylikeswaffles March 6, 2008 1:21 AM PST
seriously. i think that cnet should rereview the Samsung P2 after the 3rd Wave firmware update thats been announced to come out this month. i dont think its fair that cnet should just give awareness to apple because of the new applications. sure, theyre great apps and theyre useful, but they cost 20 BUCKS for 5 APPS. i think that these apps shouldnt affect the ipod touch rating AT ALL. if it was a free upgrade, that would be awesome because ALL itouch owners would have these extra apps. however, only the ppl that spend $20 can get these apps. i think that cnet is indirectly biased to apple products because apple products are great. i admit that. but someones reaction of "ahh watever..20 bucks is no big deal.." for 5 itouch apps would be different than "OMG ***?! I HAVE TO PAY 5 BUCKS FOR 7 FEATURES ON THE P2?!" (u dont have to pay for any samsung firmware update btw..). people already assume that apple will make an amazing product and that it's fair to charge customers a ridiculous price for apps that shouldve came w/ the itouch in the first place. i have nothing against apple, im a mac user myself, but i think that the itouch would only deserve the 8.7 rating if the apps were included in the base itouch package. Hopefully, CNET will rereview the Samsung P2 shortly after the release of the 3rd Bluewave firmware update, because I believe the P2 should be of at least 8.0 rating quality by the time the FREE 3rd upgrade comes in a few weeks.
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by roylikeswaffles March 6, 2008 1:21 AM PST
seriously. i think that cnet should rereview the Samsung P2 after the 3rd Wave firmware update thats been announced to come out this month. i dont think its fair that cnet should just give awareness to apple because of the new applications. sure, theyre great apps and theyre useful, but they cost 20 BUCKS for 5 APPS. i think that these apps shouldnt affect the ipod touch rating AT ALL. if it was a free upgrade, that would be awesome because ALL itouch owners would have these extra apps. however, only the ppl that spend $20 can get these apps. i think that cnet is indirectly biased to apple products because apple products are great. i admit that. but someones reaction of "ahh watever..20 bucks is no big deal.." for 5 itouch apps would be different than "OMG ***?! I HAVE TO PAY 5 BUCKS FOR 7 FEATURES ON THE P2?!" (u dont have to pay for any samsung firmware update btw..). people already assume that apple will make an amazing product and that it's fair to charge customers a ridiculous price for apps that shouldve came w/ the itouch in the first place. i have nothing against apple, im a mac user myself, but i think that the itouch would only deserve the 8.7 rating if the apps were included in the base itouch package. Hopefully, CNET will rereview the Samsung P2 shortly after the release of the 3rd Bluewave firmware update, because I believe the P2 should be of at least 8.0 rating quality by the time the FREE 3rd upgrade comes in a few weeks.
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by tanachaiwisit May 7, 2008 8:00 PM PDT
iPod Touch - A guided Tour
http://ipodinside.blogspot.com/2008/04/ipod-touch-guided-tour.html
New iPod Touch
http://ipodinside.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-ipod-touch.html
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by jinx20001 January 6, 2009 4:39 PM PST
im not impressed with the updating of scores here on cnet, not at all actually, if you updated the scores of every mp3 player that received a good firmware update then they would all be 8 or above by now, you scored what you reviewed at the time and its the same for every item on your mp3 player list.

problem is the ipod touch isnt even all that great, the biggest deal breaker on the planet...no memory card support!! i mean tell me now, how can a mp3 player thats rated near enough to 9 be worthy of that score without even having a memory card slot. its shocking, restrictive and very apple like.
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