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November 23, 2007 10:33 AM PST

Does Leopard reduce a portable's battery-powered working time?

by CNET staff

Some users of Mac portables are discovering problems when running the computer on battery power.

This note from a MacFixIt reader is fairly typical of one strand of complaint:

On my Powerbook G4 (15 inch), I installed Leopard and the update. I find that when the battery runs down now, I hardly get any warning, and the computer shuts down and does not go to sleep. Also, I noticed that the date and time get lost, and I need to reset the time and date.

A similar issue arises also, for example, in this Apple discussions thread. There, one reader suggests, besides resetting the PMU and the PRAM, that one might try moving /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.PowerManagement.plist to the desktop and restart. (If you elect to do this, though, I would recommend doing it while booted in single-user mode, or off another drive entirely, so that the same plist values do not get written back to disk as you restart.) However, this does not seem to work for everyone.

It is not entirely clear whether running Leopard is implicated in this matter (whether, for example, it aggravates the problem even if it doesn't cause it). There are certainly threads, though, accusing Leopard of diminishing the amount of time one can run the computer from the battery, such as this one. In this thread, some users lament having half the battery life they had before installing Leopard, while others say that battery life is actually better with Leopard. Another thread on the topic is this one.

Note that the System Profiler (under Hardware > Power) will provide information about the health of your battery. The "cycle count" and "battery health" settings are particularly useful. If you feel that your battery is problematic, it can be worth while contacting Apple; they will ask for details about these readings, and may elect to replace your battery for free if its health has dropped prematurely (i.e. with a low number of cycle counts).

Let's separate, though, the issue where running on battery does not last as long as it used to (or even as long as it does under Tiger) and the issue where the computer shuts off under battery power without sufficient warning. The latter is just wrong behavior, and the business where the time and date are reset is particularly disturbing; this is not the only message we've received where the date and time mysteriously reset themselves to the wrong value after installing Leopard. Short of suspecting a permissions problem, or recommending a cleaner form of reinstall (our usual fallback suggestions), it's hard to know what to make of this, since it's acting like a hardware issue but seems to have been triggered by software (the installation of Leopard).

On the other hand, a reduction in how long you can run off a single charge may be disappointing, but might not be the sign of any serious problem. Leopard does a lot of new graphics calculations, and uses a new threading model, so perhaps it exercises your power in a different way. Users can employ a variety of tactics to eke longer life out of a single battery charge: turn off AirPort and Bluetooth, disconnect all peripherals, turn down the screen brightness, make sure you check the first two boxes in the Energy Save Options pane of System Preferences, avoid excess reading to and writing from the hard disk, and avoid doing anything that causes the fans to spin up. The third-party application CoolBook claims to extend battery life on certain machines by lowering the CPU voltage and speed.

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    by fotograft November 23, 2007 12:41 PM PST
    I have a MBP 13 months old. My battery was working great with Tiger. I did the occasional conditioning for it per Apple's instructions. Now, after a Leopard clean install, my battery lasts a third as long and it SHUTS DOWN WITHOUT WARNING. I noticed after about an hour, my battery meter showed 40% remaining. 5 minutes later, my MBP shut down. When I plugged it in and started, the battery meter showed charging with 0% remaining. I'll investigate those discussion links, try a fix or two and report back.
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    by rparrish1 November 23, 2007 12:41 PM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    my MBP of about the same age does the same thing in 10.4, about once every 3-4 weeks. After it shuts down I press the status button on my battery and sure enough it shows up as totally dead (flashing).
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    by ershler November 23, 2007 12:42 PM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    I am seeing the exact same behavior with my 15" Santa Rosa MBP. My battery is very healthy, but when I see the warning screen (for a brief second) the machine shuts down.
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    by i_gaucho November 23, 2007 12:42 PM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    I've had my 15" MBP since January and this happened to me as well. Shortly after the upgrade I used it on battery and saw that I had 30 minutes left, but about 5 minutes later it just shut down. That just happened once. Now I am averaging 2-3 hours of battery life when using the setting to prolong battery life. Before I got about 4-5 hours under Tiger. I suppose I'll try resetting the PRAM and PMU as suggested here. If that doesn't work I suppose I can contact Apple Care and see if I can get a battery replacement. Although, a new battery probably won't do much if there is just a bug in Leopard that's causing the battery to drain faster or the machine to just shut down.
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    by MysticalOS November 23, 2007 6:31 PM PST
    I myself noticed the opposite situation. My macbook pro 15 1,1 gets longer battery life under leopard. One key thing i noted was under 10.4 speed step never lowered the cpu lesst han 1333mhz (using a T2600 2.16ghz cpu). 1333 was default speed unless the demand pushed it higher. but under leopard i noticed it now defaults it at 1000mhz instead which pushes the power consumption even lower.
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 1:27 AM PST
    UPDATE Looking at my processes, I see that Firefox is using 70% of the CPU load at times! ...and 184MB of "real memory". I'll continue with it running, testing the time... Then- I'll close it and use Safari for awhile... more to come...

    UPDATE 2 I was able to duplicate the excessive CPU issue equally with Safari. It only does this when playing any kind of video or a site has flash animation. Especially strange, the CPU is even high (40%) just by visiting youtube while NOT downloading or playing video- just viewing the home page. Once again, my battery only lasted about an hour and shut down unexpectedly without warning while showing 22% remaining. When I plugged-in and restarted, battery meter indicated 0%.
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 1:27 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    youtube cycles through "videos being watched now" on their homepage.
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    by November 24, 2007 8:23 AM PST
    I am runnning 10.5.1 on an external drive and 10.4.11 on the internal drive on my 15" G4 1.67 ghz Powerbook. Even in10.4.11 the battery now seems to be less than 70% charged. It was 95% charged prior to 10.5 installation and ran for between 4 and 5 hours on battery. Now i get about 2.5 hours.
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    by November 24, 2007 8:23 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by bogeyman007</i></div></class><br />
    I encourage anyone with AppleCare to contact Apple. They are replacing my battery after trying a number of fixes. It had 115 power cycles and was down to a maximum 2900 mah. Apple feels that this phenomenon is not caused by Leopard. That is an interesting statement since this problem did not seem to appear until after Leopard was released.
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    UPDATE 3 Here is the info on my battery plus a great post on Apple forums:
    System Power Settings:

    AC Power:
    System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 0
    Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 0
    Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 62
    Automatic Restart On Power Loss: No
    Wake On AC Change: No
    Wake On Clamshell Open: Yes
    Wake On LAN: No
    Display Sleep Uses Dim: No
    Battery Power:
    System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 60
    Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
    Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 60
    Wake On AC Change: No
    Wake On Clamshell Open: Yes
    Display Sleep Uses Dim: Yes
    Reduce Brightness: No

    Hardware Configuration:

    UPS Installed: No

    AC Charger Information:

    Connected: Yes
    Charging: No

    Battery Information:

    Model Information:
    Manufacturer: Sony
    Device name: ASMB012
    Pack Lot Code: 0003
    PCB Lot Code: 0000
    Firmware Version: 102a
    Hardware Revision: 0400
    Cell Revision: 0303
    Charge Information:
    Charge remaining (mAh): 1972
    Fully charged: Yes
    Charging: No
    Full charge capacity (mAh): 2043
    Health Information:
    Cycle count: 106
    Battery health: Fair
    Battery Installed: Yes
    Amperage (mA): 0
    Voltage (mV): 12393
    -----------------------------------
    "Here is some useful information from neuroanatomist from the posting titled, "MBP wont start up without charger plugged in ???"

    ""Go to System Profiler (Apple menu &gt; About this mac &gt; More info) and click on Power. If the Full Charge Capacity is less than 4400 mAh for a 15" or less than 5000 mAh for a 17", your battery is failing. If your Cycle Count is less than 300, your battery is failing prematurely and Apple will replace it for free. If that's the case, call Apple or visit an Apple Store for a free replacement (my 15-month old battery was replaced for free at an Apple Store).

    If the battery is OK based on the above numbers, you can try resetting the SMC""

    "Isn't this the kind of information and help that Apple should be providing? Why is there no help from Apple? The first post was 12/13/06!"
    ------------------------------------
    Based on these numbers, my battery is defective and Apple should give me a new one.----This would explain why the system shuts down unexpectedly, but NOT explain why either browser uses 70% to 80% of total processor why watching a video such as youtube.
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    FROM APPLE SUPPORT: How to tell the Battery Update 1.3 has been installed

    1. In the Finder, navigate to the SystemConfiguration folder:
    1. From the Go menu, choose Go to Folder.
    2. Type /System/Library/SystemConfiguration, then click Go.
    2. Select the file named BatteryUpdater.bundle.
    3. From the File menu, choose Get Info and check the Version.
    ===============
    I confirmed I have BATTERY UPDATE 1.3 installed. Does anyone know if it SHOULD reflect that in the power section of SYSTEM PROFILER? Mine says: FIRMWARE VERSION: 102a
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    Because of the info above, Apple provided a new battery to replace the defective one. I still have the problem of excessive CPU load while viewing videos- particularly flash.
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    by steven.schwartz November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by fotograft</i></div></class><br />
    My daughter's MBP 15" running Tiger shuts down without the power cord when 40% power is shown remaining. This started after the 10.4.11 update was installed. Anyone else having this issue in Tiger?
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    by fotograft November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by steven.schwartz</i></div></class><br />
    It's most likely JUST the battery. If it doesn't have several hundred cycles, it should be replaced by Apple even after your warranty is expired.
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    by smallruss November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by steven.schwartz</i></div></class><br />
    My MBP 15" shuts down (without warning) when the battery level goes below 90% or so. I have battery update v1.3 firmware installed and only 13 cycles.

    Will apple provide a battery replacement in such cases? I already had a replacement battery sent (about a year ago) as part of the sony recall.
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    by smallruss November 24, 2007 10:49 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;&#62;&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by smallruss</i></div></class><br />
    One short addendum: the shutdowns started happening while running MacOS X 10.4.10. I recently updated to 10.4.11 and haven't yet seen if that improves the situation.
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    by kucharsk November 26, 2007 4:18 PM PST
    My MBP C2D's battery acts like it always has, except I get about ten more minutes of use out of it under Leopard than I did under Tiger (improved power management?)

    The battery works as it should, complete with ten minute reserve.
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    by fotograft November 26, 2007 11:25 PM PST
    FINAL UPDATE: My battery is great and I deleted Leopard and reinstalled Tiger. I'll try it again in a few months. It is WAY TOO BUGGY!
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    by jon_bachelor November 27, 2007 8:45 AM PST
    Just to chime in another data point here, I'm having the opposite experience that many seem to be reporting. As an IT consultant, I 'ask for trouble' at every opportunity by being an early adopter. I like to experience any & all problems before my clients do, so that I am better able to help them out. Accordingly, I installed Leopard right when it was released (after copious backups, of course). I noticed immediately that I have <i>significantly</i> longer battery life in Leopard than I did with the exact same configuration in Tiger (my current installation is an archive & install upgrade from Tiger to Leopard). My battery life on my core duo MacBook was fairly dismal (ballpark of an hour), but I am now getting 2.5 - 3.5 hours of use. The only big changes I've made are that I now am using Apple's Mail rather than Entourage 2004 (I find the Leopard version of Mail far superior to all of Apple's previous versions... it's one of those apps I've always wanted to love, but really did find it to be too buggy in comparison to other options), and I am using Safari instead of FireFox (FireFox seems to crash far more frequently than Safari, which crashes almost never in my experience so far).

    While I wouldn't expect everyone to have the same battery life gains that I've had (again, my battery life before the upgrade was woefully disappointing), it is strange that so many are experiencing the exact opposite.

    Too soon to draw conclusions, I believe, but it will be interesting to see how this all fleshes out!
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    by ricardogriffith_ November 28, 2007 11:16 AM PST
    I think that 10.5 is doing more stuff in the background than 10.4 like Time Machine and iDisk Syncing. I noticed that when I first installed 10.5, the Energy Saver setting for Battery was set to Normal - so I had to set the Optimization for Better Battery Life.
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