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February 19, 2008 11:55 AM PST

Mac OS X 10.5.2: Time Machine problems a'plenty

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[Tuesday, February 19th]

Time Machine problems a'plenty Time Machine continues to be the bane of Mac OS X 10.5.2 upgraders, causing a variety of issues that can hamper the function's own operation or interfere with other system processes. The most common problems are:
  • the error message "Unable to complete backup. An error occurred while copying files to the backup volume."
  • a situation where Time Machine is persistently "preparing" the backup but never actually starts backing up
  • dismal backup speed

A few recent reader reports:

  • Time Machine fails within the first few megabytes of data -- consistently.
  • "Every time Time Machine runs on my system I get a Kernel panic after updating to 10.5.2." -- Stu C.
  • "I just upgraded to Leopard yesterday and I cannot get Time Machine to function -- I left it to run overnight. I went to bed after several hours of "preparing." I will try your fix now. Wish me luck." -- Hope Luhman
  • "I had the same problem with Time Machine after update 10.5.2, it would stall at "preparing". I tried your fix using Console but it stalled as well. I finally fixed it by changing target disk and throwing away 3 months of backup. Its extreme but it worked."
  • "I am having the same issues on my mac.  After the update, Time Machine has ceased to work. It won't recognize my backup disk.  As a matter of fact, Time machine just gives the error "The backup disk image could not be mounted". The problem is, that the disk is mounted.  I even deleted the old backup on that drive and tried to start over, but to no avail. Hopefully a fix is imminent." -- Dan Johnson"
Fixes

Boot in safe mode and backup Try booting your Mac in safe mode (hold down the Shift key while starting up), then performing a Time Machine backup. If the backup is successful, try restarting normally and backing up again. The process may no work normally on all subsequent attempts.

Switch to a different drive It appears that Time Machine under Mac OS X 10.5.2 may exhibit issues with specific types of USB drives. Try switching to a different drive and check for alleviation of the problems. MacFixIt reader Jim Stogdill writes:

"Time machine stopped working after the update, but oddly, when I switch it to another external USB drive it works fine.  If I switch back to the old drive, a drobo, (even after deleting the previous backups) it still hangs.  Console doesn't seem to indicate a problem with a particular file."

Repair Permissions Launch Disk Utility, located in /Applications/Utilities and run the "Repair Disk Permissions" function on both your startup drive and the used for Time Machine then restart.

MacFixIt reader Adam Sheck writes:

"I had same problem, went away after I repaired permissions and restarted."

Remove USB hubs If you're experiencing kernel panic assocaited with Time Machine, try removing all USB hubs and connecting the Time Machine drive directly to your Mac.

Delete backups Navigate to your Time Machine volume and delete the directly subsequent (most recent) and current backup then reattempt usage. MacFixIt reader Greg Hughes writes:

"I found that if I deleted the last back-up and the next back-up (I forget what that file is named) on Time Machine, after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.2, everything gets working again."

Check the system log As previously reported: Launch Console, located in /Applications/Utilities, then inspect the system log while Time Machine is running. You may find that it is getting stuck on a specific file or directory. Remove that offending item (by excluding it from Time Machine's designated files or moving it to a different drive) and re-attempt the backup.

MacFixit reader Joel Nelson recently found that Quicken files were to blame:

"It seems that in many cases with the Time Machine error in 10.5.2, Quicken 2007 data files may be at fault. I checked my console logs when I was getting the errors, and found that Quicken data files and backups were the problem. Interestingly enough, the files really are not "playing nice" with 10.5.2 as I also can't make a compressed archive containing those files. They aren't corrupt, as Quicken can read/write the files. But Quicken (2007; maybe earlier as well) seems to be the culprit. Excluding the Quicken data folder from Time Machine solved the problem. I'm still backing up my Quicken file to .Mac (which often works, but not always). Hoping to switch to iBank after I get 2007 taxes finished up."

Clear caches The old standby saves again. Try clearing caches with a tool like Cocktail or Leopard Cache Cleaner then re-attempt the Time Machine backup.

Change privileges Mac OS X 10.5.2 makes a number of privilege changes that can adversely affect Time Machine backups. Check to make sure that read and write privileges are accurate on the target Time Machine drive (all user accounts backing up to the device have access), or change standard accounts that are having problems to Admin.

MacFixIt reader George Wilde writes:

"I recently upgraded both the MacBook Pro to Leopard 10.5.2 and the Mac Mini to Leopard Server 10.5.2, and Time Machine ceased to run as a network backup. I traced the problem down to the account privileges of the User Account being used on the Leopard Server for backup. The account had been set up as a Standard Account which caused it to not recognize the external drive being used as backup on the Mac Mini. Changing this account to an Admin account solved the problem. I might have also been able to solve the problem by changing the staff privileges on the external drive to Read & Write. Leopard 10.5.2 altered a number of privileges and solved most of the privilege problems I was having under 10.5.1, but these changes may well have resulted in the Time Machine problems I was having."

The "Stephanie" process We couldn't think of a good way to summarize the process that Stepahnie Gans used to solve her 10.5.2/Time Machine issues, so here it is, verbatim: "In my case, when visiting the Time Machine app, I noticed that my previous backups had been deleted in the new OS's attempt to perform the Time Machine backup. So, I erased the drive - but still encountered an error stating that my destination drive didn't have enough room. I re-erased the drive, then, in the Time Machine System Preference, I turned off time machine, restarted the computer, turned Time Machine back on, and then selected an alternate drive for the backup - then reselected my original, newly erased drive. This seemed to work, and has been running for a few days now."

Yikes.

MacFixIt advice at work One MacFixIt reader had a number of serious problems with Mac OS X 10.5.2 that were solved, in quick succession, by fixes posted here. In case you're experiencing similar issues, here is his rpeort:

"After updating to 10.5.2 I had a kernel panic just after the inital startup. As suggested by MacFixIt i unplugged the only thing connected to my iMac 2.4 which is a 500GB WD Hard drive [Ed.- Suggested here], that seemed to solve the problem. I then found a firmware update [Ed.- Suggested here] for the drive and that seems to have solved the hard drive and kernel panics. I was also getting an error message from Time Machine under 10.5.1 and possibly 10.5.2, so after updating I erased the external hard drive [Ed.- Suggested here] and started again with Time Machine. No more kernel panics or problems with Time Machine."

Parallels problems, fix We continue to report on problems with the Parallels virtualization environment under Mac OS X 10.5.2. Now some readers are noting that having Firefox closed when launching Parallels can alleviate issues. One reader writes:

"Parallels 3 ( build 4128 ) will routinely fail with a  EXC_CRASH (SIGSEGV) if Firefox 2.0.2 is open while starting up the emulator. If Firefox is closed, Parallels starts normally."

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    by Gordon Alley February 19, 2008 1:02 PM PST
    Just providing a counterpoint. I started Time Machine backup on my MacBook (late 2006) on Jan. 11 under OS X 10.5.1. It uses an external 160GB USB-powered disk as its backup device. I updated to OS X 10.5.2 a couple of days after its release, and also used SuperDuper 2.5 to create a complete bootable backup of my internal 80GB internal disk on the Time Machine backup drive (one partition) at about the same time. So far, Time Machine has performed flawlessly (knocking on wood).
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    by iGreg February 19, 2008 6:04 PM PST
    I too have Time Machine working perfectly. I am using an external Seagate 500GB USB drive. It is partitioned into 2 partitions. I maintain a SuperDuper clone of my system on one partition (updated daily) and Time Machine uses the other partition. I connect the USB drive to a Belkin USB hub which is then connected to my Intel iMac.

    Note that I am a regular maintenance nerd. I often fix permissions. When I delete caches (such as with Cocktail or other utility) I usually first shut down first and boot into Safe mode & delete caches while in Safe mode. I particularly delete caches after system updates. I also run DiskWarrior around once every month or two.

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    iMac, Intel, 17", 2.0 GHz, 2GB RAM, OS 10.5.2
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    by spoonbender... February 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST
    Hi,
    I say avoid the whole 'time machine' fiasco and use 'Super Duper!' It works perfectly and flawlessly everytime.
    S.
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    by macFanDave_reg February 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST
    >
    This is a reply to a previous comment by spoonbender...


    I was thinking about saying the same thing, but I thought it would be tasteless.

    I glad you said it and not me! ;)
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    by kucharsk February 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST
    >
    This is a reply to a previous comment by spoonbender...


    Too bad it will take hours because you're doing a full backup each time and thus most people won't remember to use it.

    That's what's great about TM - it either runs in the background if you have your TM volume connected, or takes a few minutes when you do connect your volume.

    Even with all the complaints and some brokenness on TM's part, a 20 minute incremental backup is still faster than a full.
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    by rogersinden February 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST
    >>
    This is a reply to a previous comment by kucharsk


    If you dig into your pocket and buy it then you don't have to a full backup everytime. I've dumped TM in favour of SuperDuper.
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    by Gordon Alley February 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST
    >
    This is a reply to a previous comment by spoonbender...


    No fiasco to avoid here.

    I use Time Machine, and also occasionally make bootable backups with SuperDuper. Best of both worlds.
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    by chashulme_dotmac February 19, 2008 10:45 PM PST
    I have five machines all running Leopard 10.5.2 and doing Time Machine backups without problems. All the upgrades to Leopard, done shortly after initial release, were done clean (erase and install), since IMO in-place upgrades can be problematic, regardless of OS. One is even backing up via Airport (n) net to a shared drive attached to my PhoneValet server...
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    by Choreo--2008 February 20, 2008 11:42 AM PST
    Although it is only a "cosmetic" problem. Time Machine also displays a solid white background (no Vortex space image or moving stars images) on Mac Pros that have 2 video cards installed - even from Apple. Some people have found that by removing the video card from Slot 2 and moving it to a lower bandwidth PCI slot (like Slot 3) restores the TM Background and animation.

    Time Machine still "functions" properly with cards in slots 1 & 2, just has a plain white screen behind it.
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    by snagitseven February 21, 2008 10:29 AM PST
    For those that may have issues with Time Machine locking up, stuck on "preparing backup" or other issues, I solved mine by repairing permissions on the boot drive and restarting. I also deleted the "..inprogress.. file on the TM drive. Everything went back to normal and the backup went quickly.
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    by gir1dhar February 25, 2008 8:41 PM PST
    I did a clean 10.5.0 install, then updated to 10.5.2. I have formatted my usb backup drive. I am a mainance/test nerd I use LCC, Drive Genius, DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro. According to those tools my computer and the external drive are in pristine condition.
    And TimeMachine crashes finder in an andless loop. The only way to stop it from crashing is unplugging the external drive and turning off TimeMachine.
    In case you're wondering, yes everything is in order and the drives work perfectly under linux or windoze, but under leopard I get "error -36" when trying to write data. I did every workaround/fix that I've found. And I still get the error.

    Best Regards
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    by gbcurtis May 7, 2008 7:11 PM PDT
    As if all I have read about Time Machine's problems were not enough, Apple's TS (for over a month) cannot explain why I cannot back up to a 500 GB RAID 1 (Mirror) setup with two 500 GB LaCie HDs.
    A work-around I suggested where I successively back up to one 500 GB LaCie HD and the next time to another Maxtor USB 2.0 500 GB HD (VERY slow!) worked for about two weeks until one backup attempt to the LaCie failed - and re-failed consistently. Now I cannot even erase the offending HD (because Disk Utility can't Unmount the HD). I can work on the erase part.
    G4 PowerBook with 1.0 GB Memory 1.0 GHz. All HDs use the Apple Partition with Journaled Extended.
    The TM premise is great, but, IMNSHO, not ready for prime time.
    However, I am willing to accept comments, suggestions, and outright help.
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