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December 2, 2005 4:30 PM PST

Firefox 1.5: Trouble scrolling; Java problems, solutions; Common solution: Startup in safe mode and check plug-ins; more

by CNET staff

Users are beginning to report some significant issues with the final release of Firefox 1.5, centering around improper page rendering, problems with Java applets, and interface navigation.

Many of the problems only manifest on Mac OS X 10.3.x (Panther) systems.

One reader generally laments:

"The little browser that could apparently can't! I was using 1.5rc3 without issue, and when I installed this release (the final), I felt like I went back in time. Pages don't display properly, javascript has become broken, the simplest things a browser should do (like display CSS pages) has become a visual nightmare, and it keeps crashing for no reason whatsoever."

Trouble scrolling Several users report various issues with scrolling up and down pages after upgrading to Firefox 1.5. Some report that scrolling movement is erratic or jerky.

Another issue is that many users -- primarily those running Firefox 1.5 under Mac OS X 10.3.9. -- can no longer use their "Page Down" or "Page Up" buttons to scroll through pages.

In version 1.0.7, the scrolling function worked properly. In this version 1.5, there are problems:

In many cases, these scrolling problems will only occur after the user has recently accessed a page containing Java content. The solution -- albeit inconvenient -- is to quit then re-launch Firefox after viewing pages with the problem-triggering content.

Java problems, solutions As alluded to in the above section, a number of users are having problems with Java content after in Firefox 1.5.

Some users experience freezes when accessing embedded Java content, other experience issues with graphic components of Java applets rendering properly.

Some Java problems may be resolved by updating to the Java Embedding Plugin (JEP) 0.9.5 b (JavaEmbeddingPlugin.bundle and MRJPlugin.plugin).

This can be accomplished by following these instructions to install JEP 0.9.5 b to the /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ directory.

You must then then remove the bundled JEP files (JavaEmbeddingPlugin.bundle and MRJPlugin.plugin) from the Contents/MacOS/plugins/ directory inside the Firefox application package. This can be accomplished by holding down the control key; clicking Firefox and selecting "Show Package Contents"; then deleting the aforementioned files.

Common solution: Startup in safe mode and check extensions Perhaps the most common culprits in problematic Firefox 1.5 operation are errant extensions.

As stated in Mozilla's release notes:

"Poorly designed or incompatible Extensions can cause problems with your browser, including make it crash, slow down page display, etc. If you encounter strange problems relating to parts of the browser no longer working, the browser not starting, windows with strange or distorted appearance, degraded performance, etc, you may be suffering from Extension or Theme trouble."

The easiest way to determine if a plug-in is causing your problems is to start Firefox in safe mode via the following Terminal commands (Press return after each):

  • cd /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/
  • ./firefox-bin -safe-mode

If the problems disappear, a plug-in is likely at fault. Try removing third-party plugins from within the /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ or ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/(profile)/Extensions/ folders, or use the software's uninstaller.

Another workaround-- deleting your old profile Another general solution for a variety of problems is to delete the old Firefox user profile found at:

  • ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/(username).default/)

Cannot pass Acid2 test As noted by several users, Firefox still cannot pass the Acid 2 Test, which the latest iteration of Safari is able to pass.

Feedback? Late-breakers@macfixit.com.

Resources

  • Firefox 1.5
  • instructions
  • JEP 0.9.5 b
  • Acid 2 Test
  • Late-breakers@macfixit.com
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    by lloyd1981 December 3, 2005 8:18 AM PST
    No way to make the bottom scroll arrow appear until I
    ran TTpro AND DW. Suddenly, no scrolling problems.

    Have not made the suggested installations and the
    latest version of Safati I have is 1.3, and Camino 1.0b1
    is the only browser I have that comes close to
    rendering the image at the Acid2 Test site.

    What I don't like is that clicking is the address bar does
    not select the entire address.

    Discussion re: Java:

    http://www.symphonious.net/index.php?name=Where%
    27s%20Java%201.5%3F%20%28Redux%29
    Reply to this comment
    by Notary Sojac December 3, 2005 8:18 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by lloyd1981</i></div></class><br />
    &gt; What I don't like is that clicking is the address bar
    &gt; does not select the entire address.

    Hear! Hear!

    I hate that the developers made a conscious decision to do this several versions ago. I have seen reviewers lauding this change but I am certainly not one of them.

    One thing I am still not accustomed to it the loss of the up &amp; down arrow functionality in single line text fields (like the address bar). Up arrow used to get you to the beginning of the string and down took you to the end. Sadly, not since version 0.9 (if I recall.)
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    by Uncle Asad December 3, 2005 8:18 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by Notary Sojac</i></div></class><br />
    You can click on the globe or site icon to get 1-click selection of the entire URL. The new default behavior is proper Mac behavior, though.
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    by Uncle Asad December 3, 2005 3:27 PM PST
    Considering that Firefox 1.5 is the <b>exact same thing</b> as Firefox 1.5RC3 (only the disk image was renamed), there must be something else involved that is causing the one reader's sudden new problems....
    <p>
    And <i>plug-ins</i> are things like Flash, Shockwave, QuickTime, etc.; little bits of code that extend the features of Firefox are <i>extensions</i>. A Mac troubleshooting resource like this should know how to keep its terminology straight!
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    by macguruguy December 4, 2005 8:37 AM PST
    I too am experiencing odd problems since installing the final update. File menus suddenly do not work after opening a page containing Java. I also did not experience these previous to the current update. I would suggest the previous person who commented on the update being an image name change only make sure that this is indeed the case for the final image. Maybe somebody used the wrong image, or made a change without saying they did. Something is NOT right.
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    by iGreg December 4, 2005 11:21 AM PST
    Problems here too. Optimum Online ISP Speed Test page has a real long delay,
    but snaps open with Safari. Also, the page refresh/reload icon keeps vanishing.

    ---
    iMac G5, 17&quot;, 1.8 GHz, 1GB RAM
    PowerBook G4, 12&quot;, 1.5 GHz, 768 MB RAM
    Both OS 10.4.3
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    by APGiuliano December 4, 2005 11:21 AM PST
    <class="merchant"><span>&#62;</span><div class="datestamp"><i>This is a reply to a previous comment by iGreg</i></div></class><br />
    Absolutely 0 problems, Java or otherwise, with Firefox 1.5 on my plethora of
    Macs whose common denominator is they are all running 10.3.9

    Tiger issues of all natures seems to be par for the course, speaking for my
    observations and gleanings only.
    Reply to this comment
    by Notary Sojac December 5, 2005 9:29 AM PST
    PageUp &amp; PageDown keys do not work in the 1.5 release even after restarting and opening only my Java-free homepage.

    Home &amp; End keys do work.

    No Extensions other than the defaults - DOM Inspector and Talkback. MacOS 10.3.9
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    by stuart weiser December 6, 2005 12:43 PM PST
    I have had numerous problems with Firefox 1.5. I'm running 10.2.8, and
    the new Fox hard freezes (requiring a force quit) quite often. It's alwyas
    reproduceable when I pull down the RSS news feed a second time (the
    pull down menu box appears with no text, and it's goodnight firefox);
    and it freezes at other times, usually involving pulldown menus of some
    sort. I've disabled all themes and extensions to no avail. I've also tried
    the java fix and deleting my old profile (and losing my bookmarks in the
    process, although I can get them back, I'm sure). AARRRGGHHH! i don't
    want to ggo back to Safari!!!
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