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March 3, 2005 7:21 AM PST

Virex 7.5 conflicting with fax activity

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We've received a number of corroborating reports indicating a conflict between Virex 7.5.x and Mac OS X's built-in fax functionality. In many cases, the issue starts with general system slow-down or freezes when attempting to use fax functionality, and evolves into a scenario where Mac OS X will not startup or other applications are adversely affected.

MacFixIt reader Rich Love describes his typical case:

"I recently installed Virex 7.5.1 on my Dual 2 GHz G5 Power Mac. It causes the G5 internal modem to hang the entire Mac when you try to do anything with the modem (dial with OS X, change fax answering status, dial with a terminal emulator. It is a very hard freeze that requires powering off the Mac to get going again. It is also very consistent (happens every time).

"Another intermittent symptom is that the Mac will not boot. It gets stuck in the final stages of booting. While looking at the progress bar, it stops at the networking setup (file sharing or Internet stuff) I tried the suggestions about using uninstallers to remove old Virex versions but that did not help.

"I uninstalled Virex 7.5.1 and everything is back to normal."

Another reader writes:

"Today I got an endless spinning beach ball and not just on the fax software, but on absolutely every program I tried to use. What was really odd is that each program would let me move a window a little at most and then lock, like the programs weren't actually locked until I attempted to do something with them. When I rebooted, I got the spinning beach ball right at the log-in screen. I figured that the problem was linked to the fax software, but the computer would freeze before I could do anything. I eventually had to do a reboot in safe mode to figure out what the problem was. The culprit appears to be Virex 7.5.1 which I had installed shortly after I had originally tested the faxing capability. Fitting that a program designed to keep a computer running smoothly by detecting and deleting malicious code should cause the worst headache, I have ever had on OS X, which is saying a lot considering I was a early adopter.

"The quickest fix for this problem appears to be booting into safe mode and then uninstalling Virex, and/or deleting all the pending faxes by sending another fax to open the fax monitor program and then deleting all the faxes."

MacFixIt reader Desiree obtained confirmation of the issue from Apple's support department:

"Called the apple support number and they told me it was actually a problem with my newest security update from Virex. I unchecked send/receive faxes (system preferences > print and fax > faxing), restarted, and everything works smoothly.

"Just sign on with safe mode and either uncheck that OR if you want to keep your faxing option, return back to an older security version of Virex.

"Apparently the new firewall update does not not agree with fax transactions, hence the freezing during "waiting for printing services" or "internet services"

"Hope this helps. I was pretty surprised to find out it wasn't 10.3.8... but yea, yours might be the same since it sounds identical to what happened to me yesterday."

Logging in in safe mode to uninstall Virex As indicated above, a number of readers have been able to restore normal Mac OS X functionality by booting into Mac OS X's safe mode then removing Virex.

First, boot into safe mode. This is accomplished by holding down the "Shift" key while your Mac is starting up.

In the Virex install package (if you still have it handy), there is an item called "Virex Uninstall.command." This is the easiest way to remove all traces of the application.

Alternatively, you can perform a search using the Finder's "Find" command for any file containing the term "Virex" and delete the resulting items.

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    by Cowicide March 3, 2005 7:57 AM PST
    I got an idea, until there is an actual virus for OS X. Ditch Virex entirely and
    just use the free clamXav to check for PC & Mac Viruses. Hmmm? Once there
    is actually a real threat to Mac, then load up an always on app like Virex and
    cope with its conflicts. But why go through this now? Sigh...
    Reply to this comment
    by SugarBear March 3, 2005 7:57 AM PST
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    This is a reply to a previous comment by Cowicide


    I agree with you entirely. I had problems backing up my HD (clone) and
    traced this to Virex 7.5. I've uninstalled and have not had any problems.
    Using Intego Virus Barrier without any trouble.
    Reply to this comment
    by March 3, 2005 9:02 AM PST
    I, too, had the problem where Virex 7.5.1 froze my 20" iMac during boot.
    After removing 7.5.1, I downloaded version 7.2.1 from .mac. Installing this
    version solved all problems. BTW, I let Apple know about this problem
    months ago and am disappointed that there hasn't been an update to Virex
    that resolves this issue.
    Reply to this comment
    by RedClaw March 3, 2005 9:32 AM PST
    It is not Apple's responsibility to update or patch Virex. It is the
    responsibility of the manufacture to make sure the applications they are
    selling to consumers works and does not cause any problems with the
    environment. If a problem arises then the company needs to supply an
    update or patch to the application. Especially if the product is a commercial
    one, i.e. selling for profit.
    Reply to this comment
    by March 3, 2005 9:32 AM PST
    >
    This is a reply to a previous comment by RedClaw


    RedClaw: It is Apple's responsibility as they offer it as part of the .mac
    service. The allow the download of the software from this portal and pay the
    distributor for it. I, in turn, pay for the .mac services. In fact, Virex, when
    downloaded from .mac, is not supported by mcAfee.
    Reply to this comment
    by John Sawyer March 3, 2005 4:11 PM PST
    Trouble is, if we're talking about the version of Virex that Apple includes with .Mac subscriptions, it's a different version from the one that McAfee sells to the general public, and when you communicate with McAfee about problems with the .Mac version, McAfee disavows all responsibility for it because "that's Apple's now", and if you communicate with Apple about the .Mac version, they still say it's McAfee's responsibility to fix it. McAfee's general version of Virex appears to cause trouble less often than the .Mac version.

    Bottom line: if you like Virex, and if the version you've been having trouble with is the .Mac version, buy the version McAfee sells to the general public, and you'll probably have less trouble with it; if you've been having trouble with the general public version of Virex, or if you have no particular preference, buy someone else's antivirus utility, or use the free clamXav.

    Or don't use an antivirus utility at all, until we begin to get a significant number of reports of viruses infecting OS X--I can't remember reading of any such sightings, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Don't guilt-trip yourself by taking on the responsibility of dealing with PC viruses that land on your Mac--they won't cause the Mac any problems, and just about the only normal way you can pass them along is to send a PC-infected email attachment or Word file you've received, to someone else, but that doesn?t happen often enough. The tradeoff of the trouble that Virex causes for Mac users, along with the fact that PC users should be doing their own virus detection, isn't a fair tradeoff.
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    by kosmofenster March 3, 2005 5:54 PM PST
    my spinning wheel and system slowdown affected entourage about 5 days after installing update. everything back to normal after de-install. bugs me that i downloaded virex from .mac and it's turning out this way.
    running powerbook G4 and do regular maintenance and permissions.
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    by marvinsable_dotmac March 4, 2005 7:29 AM PST
    This is a very old and established issue with Virex 7.5.1. There are posts as
    well in Apples knowledged base. The only solution known to work it removal
    of Virex. I found that I sometimes had to restart in safe mode at least once
    before the system would recover from the freeze.
    Reply to this comment
    by GymW March 4, 2005 11:48 AM PST
    I researched this problem 4-6 months ago and agree with all the comments.
    The basic problem is that Virex 7.5(.Mac) seems to interfere with most if not
    all 3rd party programs using the Apple Modem. A spokesman from Apple at
    that time told me that fixing Virex is a low priority task. It seems as though
    Apple is perfectly willing to let this problem "fall through the cracks" at least
    until a major virus attack occurs with the Mac. That is one of the reasons that
    they still make Virex 7.2.1 available on the .Mac site, which although it does
    not seem to cause conflicts, However it does not seem to update itself
    properly either. In order to keep it up-to-date I find that I have to go to a
    software site, such as MacUpdate, or VersionTracker to download and install
    updates when they are released.

    I have been told by McAfee that their version is an "Enterprise" version
    designed for 5 or more users and priced appropriately. I have never seen it
    sold retail. So I am skeptical if this presents a cost effective solution for an
    individual user. If they have changed their policy, I have yet to see evidence of
    it.

    Additionally I am outraged by the notion of pay $100 a year for a service
    (.Mac) that promises virus protection as part of the service and being
    provided with broken software and mediocre support by email only, if you
    can get them to responded with anything other than nearly useless
    "boilerplate." Given the Virex situation and the support issues, it is my
    opinion that the Project Manager for .Mac should be fired or resign to
    demonstrate that the current status quo is unacceptable, either to Apple or
    its .MAC users.

    Currently I am using Virex 7.2.1, doing manual updates as released and
    having no obvious conflicts, along with hoping that it will catch a virus should
    one be released. This is what seems to be working for me under 10.3.8 on a
    G5.
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    by JerMac--2008 March 11, 2005 5:52 AM PST
    FaxCenter froze during sending and so did the built-in fax module of Mac OS 10.3.8. So, then I knew that it was not related to FaxCenter, but to something else. I could log in again by doing a safe boot. After an Open Firmware reset (reset-nvram, reset-all) everything reverted back to normal operation. I checked the OS and the disk thoroughly with TechTool Pro 4.03 and some repairs were made. In all, I lost one working day by trying to locate to solve this problem and going through all the necessary repair routines in order to be sure that the system was stable again. Because I have set all options in Virex to 'manual' and 'on demand' I never related this issue to Virex but apparently it does.
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