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July 22, 2003 7:30 AM PDT

Yet another Mac OS X 10.2.x Finder oddity: "Select All" function inconsistent; solution

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The latest in our recent round of investigation into interface and file manipulation oddities in Mac OS X 10.2.x's Finder deals with "Select All" function, accessible via the keyboard shortcut "Command-A."

If you are in Column View and have selected a file, the "Select All" command will select all of that file's "siblings" (files that are in the same directory). However, if you have selected a folder, the "Select All" command selects all that file's "children" (files contained in that folder), instead of its "siblings" (other folders in the same directory).

There are some viable alternatives to Mac OS X 10.2.x's Finder if you do not like the way it handles file selection and manipulation.

CocoaTech's Path Finder, though somewhat sluggish on older systems and carrying a hefty price tag, does not display the same odd selection behavior. If you have a folder selected in Column view, and invoke the "Select All" command, Path Finder will select all of the folder's "siblings" and not its within-contained "children.

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    by chabig83 July 22, 2003 9:34 AM PDT
    I don't find it inconsistent at all. In column view, it is impossible to
    "select" a folder because you are always looking at a hierarchy. You are
    never looking at a "selected" folder, you are looking at the contents of
    that folder. The highlighted folder is just a part of the path. It's not really
    "selected."
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    by ashill July 22, 2003 3:29 PM PDT
    The select all command selects all files in the current folder. You can tell
    the current folder by looking at the window title; it follows the logic
    described in the article. If you select a folder in column view, that folder
    becomes the current folder. If you select a file in column view, the
    current folder is still the folder that contains the file. Seems like the
    most logical behavior to me.

    If you want to select all in the folder that contains the currently selected
    folder, just hit the left arrow to move up one directory, then hit select
    all.
    Reply to this comment
    by MacFixItUser July 22, 2003 4:31 PM PDT
    Likewise, I have noticed that the blue pulsating buttons
    don't always activate when using the return or enter
    keys, even though they are pulsating and thus being
    designated the selected choice for activation.
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    by Steven Haines July 22, 2003 9:56 PM PDT
    I agree that this should not be seen as an oddity or mistake in the logic of the Finder's operation. The manner in which commands such as Select All function should reflect the paradigm of the view they are operating in. As a previous post noted, when you have selected a folder in column view you are logically positioned within that folder and looking at its contents. In those circumstances, if Select All chose the siblings of the folder rather than its contents, it would require you to take a further step to gain control over the contents. This would seem to be contrary to the way in which column view operates.

    In any event, many (but not all) of these so called oddities are really just differences between how the Finder operates under OSX 10.2.x compared with OS9 or even 10.1. I expect the same will be true of 10.3 as the OS evolves to make best use of the new navigation paradigms it offers.
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    by LukasM July 23, 2003 1:35 AM PDT
    > "CocoaTech's Path Finder, though somewhat sluggish on older
    systems and carrying a hefty price tag"

    I don't think that Path Finder is too expensive. Besides of the file browser
    you'll also get a *built-in* text editor, a floating preview window, a
    global application menu, a hex editor (!) and many other goodies that
    you would need to install as separate applications otherwise and -- in
    many cases -- pay a shareware fee as well (e.g. if you might need labels
    in Finder you'll have to install Labels X -- $10 -- while labels are already
    included in Path Finder.)

    While Path Finder can't completely replace the Finder (yet), in most cases
    it is the *better* finder. After some time of use you will find out when it's
    necessary to switch to the original Finder (which is easy: highlight the
    item and click the Finder symbol in the Path Finder toolbar).
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