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October 8, 2009 11:17 AM PDT

More Mail mess: Passwords not saving

by Joe Aimonetti
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There seems to be a somewhat constant battle between Mail and Keychain over the issue of saving passwords. In the Snow Leopard edition of this struggle, many users find that they are constantly faced with having to enter their password and many of the old tricks to solve this issue aren't working like they used to.

The Issue:
Apple Support Discussions poster "NewYorkYogi" reports:

Sometimes, no matter what, Mail wants me to reenter the password on my email account. When this happens, quitting Mail, unlocking the keychain, and re-invoking Mail sometimes fixes the problem. When it does not, I have to re-enter the email password. Check Save to Keychain doesn't seem to help much. After I have re-entered the email password, Mail appears to work.

Mail requires access to your Keychain so that it can obtain passwords to access messages on your mail server. If you lock Keychain, Mail will have to ask permission each time it attempts to retrieve or send mail. The issue here is that even when Keychain is unlocked, Mail is requesting that users enter their password. ASD user "Lawrence Cragg" adds an opinion:

I never experienced this problem with Leopard but it's absolutely chronic with Snow Leopard on an iMac. I cannot associate this problem with any connection difficulty although that would be difficult to do. No matter, the net effect is infuriating: I have to go into Mail's preferences to retype the password.

A Possible Solution:
My personal experience with this issue has lead me to this solution, which has two variables. If you have recently changed the password on your mail account, you may have a conflicting entry in Keychain causing Mail to be confused. Open Keychain Access (Applications > Utilities) and search your passwords. If you have more than one password for your current mail account, delete any old ones. To take effect, you may have to log out, then back in. The variable on this is, if you only have one password for your current mail account, simply delete that password entry. The next time you open Mail, you will be asked for your password - enter it correctly and be sure to check to save the password to your Keychain.

Users will want to be sure that all their information is correctly entered in their Mail accounts. If you have recently upgraded to Snow Leopard or restored from a backup, you should delete the account from Mail completely and re-enter it. Other attempts at solutions have lead users to rebuild their mailboxes (Mail menu bar > Mailbox > Rebuild) or to run Keychain Access' keychain first aid. Most report that these solutions offer temporary fixes, but the problem returns.

As always, we will continue to watch this problem as it develops and update you when we find more solutions. Experiencing issues, have questions, want to let us know about an issue we should report on? Email Us!

Joe is a seasoned Mac veteran with years of experience on the platform. He reports on Macs, iPods, iPhones and anything else Apple sells. Before joining CNET, he even worked in Apple's retail stores. He's also a creative professional who knows how to use a Mac to get the job done.
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by aberglun October 8, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
I'm not certain it's just a Snow Leopard problem, as I'd been living with this for quite some time in 10.5-land prior to my Snow Leopard upgrade. I have four mail accounts set up in Mail, two Gmail (IMAP) and two Comcast (POP). I never have issues with the Gmail accounts, and almost never with one of the two Comcast accounts. But the other Comcast account is a big headache, it prompts for the password several times daily. I've done the normal keychain and blow away the account things, to no avail. I've been blaming it on Comcast, but maybe not?
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by JScottK October 8, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
Same problem here, but using Tiger (v10.4.11). Only happens regularly (at least once a day) with my Comcast accounts though (rarely with my GoDaddy accounts, never with .Mac or my old dial-up ISP), so could it be the way Mail interacts with some ISPs mail servers? No multiple keychain entries nor have I recently changed my email password.
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by eksAirbusdriver October 8, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
Seems some people would rather complain than try any of the solutions that have worked! ;-)

Deleting and re-entering each account may sound time consuming, but it sure seems to work for the vast majority of those who do it. Worked for me, also. ;-)
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by October 8, 2009 2:28 PM PDT
I've had the same issue for a long time with Tiger/Leopard. For me, it only happens if Mail is running overnight. Usually around 1:00AM or so the mail server will reject the password, which triggers the prompt. Usually, all I'd have to do then is quit Mail and relaunch.

The difference I've noticed with Snow Leopard is that the password rejection from the mail server seems to flag the account settings as 'dirty', where simply relaunching Mail doesn't work anymore. Now, I /have/ to re-enter my password.

That being said, I haven't tried deleting all saved passwords for Mail and re-entering them. Might give it a shot just in case it works.
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by macview2 October 8, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
I have tried all known "fixes" to no avail. I never have an issue with my mobile me account just my bell ones. It has been suggested that it is an issue with mail app receiving an invalid server password signal from the mail server and for some reason mail chooses to delete the password.
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by lkrupp October 8, 2009 2:57 PM PDT
I am almost 100% sure this is a server problem and not a client problem. If a mail server is overloaded at the instant the client tries to retrieve mail you could get this message. And, believe me, this is NOT an OS X only issue. Windows users experience the exact same thing from time to time.
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by mretondo October 8, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
Then Apple needs to allow us to adjust the Timeout duration like the latest Outlook does.
by Zuschlauer November 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST
If you know a way for a remote server to reach into my computer and erase my passwords, I would like to know it. That is outrageous and all firewalls should block such access.

Otherwise it is a bug. No program should ever delete account passwords.
by Erick Baze October 8, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
I started having problems with one of my 3 accounts (comcast.net) asking for password and not accepting the correct one when I entered it. I deleted the account from the keychain, and then lost the next account (gmail). I spent several days researching and trying everything I could find but no change. Then, on Tuesday, I spent the day running Techtool Pro 5 and doing all of the tests. After a restart the next day (it ran over night) I suddenly had my passwords back after entering them once for each account.
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by billoniphone October 8, 2009 6:44 PM PDT
I had this problem - only solution was to close mail - open keychain - delete the pop and smtp entries - open mail send a message to myself - add passwords as it requests and click "save in keychain". All is well now.
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by mretondo October 8, 2009 7:37 PM PDT
This problem is driving me nuts! It use to happen in Leopard too but not to this extent. I have three accounts, two POP accounts and a .mac account. The .mac account never has the problem. As far as the two POP accounts one is Comcast and it by far is the one that has the most trouble. I've recreated the accounts, deleted the passwords in the key chain program to no avail.

Apple you have to fix this now!!!
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by macbth October 9, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
What works for me is just click cancel when it prompts for the password -
No need to go into keychain - this has worked for for years.
by leichter October 10, 2009 7:20 AM PDT
re: Just click cancel
One of the annoying things about Mail.app is that it neither attempts to understand the cause of a connection failure (except for a few special cases), nor reports the actual message. Any of a broad class of failures cause it to ask you to re-enter your password. I've got an account through "SBC" (long ago acquired by AT&T). It regularly goes through periods where connections just fail for no known reason. Hitting Cancel, putting that account back on line, and re-trying generally succeeds.

If you want to know the *real* cause, use Connection Doctor (Window>Connection Doctor) and then click on Show Detail and Check Again (this is on Leopard, I don't know if Snow Leopard changes it). Even Connection Doctor will just report a generic failure and suggest checking the username and password; but if you scan through the detailed report - it helps to copy and paste it into Textedit - you may be able to find a better explanation from the message the site itself returned.

-- Jerry
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by Zuschlauer November 10, 2009 1:33 PM PST
Did not know there was a Connection Doctor in the house. Ran it 10 or 12 times, it consistently reported no problem with my isp (@cox) mail accounts, but reported all my webmail (@yahoo, @livem, @gmail) failed always. Buuuut, asking Mail to Get Mail returned no errors after several attempts. Sent some mail to 2 accounts and it came through. So Connection Doctor is a quack. He buries patients alive.
by cary3 October 14, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
FYI, I've spoken to the Apple techs about this on three occasions now and the long and short is that they have no idea what's going on. I even referred on of them to this article and comments. She called me back to say that trashing your old Keychain is a pretty drastic move to make; I wasn't planning to do that since it would cause more aggravation than just re-entering my password a few times a day. At least they're aware of the problem and maybe there will eventually be a fix.
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by Zuschlauer November 11, 2009 11:00 AM PST
This problem is still occurring. Sometimes after doing one of the recommended fixes it will go away for a day or two, but it will come back. Sometimes on all accounts at once, sometimes on just one account over and over. Just when you think there is a pattern it changes.

I have not tried deleting an account and recreating it from scratch. I have eight active accounts and am not looking forward to doing all that. How would one keep from losing all their mail when deleting an account?
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