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October 19, 2009 12:01 PM PDT

Considering adding Windows 7 to your Mac? Or ditching Apple altogether? Listen to this

by Joe Aimonetti
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CNET Labs takes a look at the impending release of Windows 7 and compares it to Apple's Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard in this edition of the CNET News Daily Podcast. Get answers to relevant questions about the two operating systems and make an informed decision when considering adding Windows 7 to your Mac or simply switching.

Also on today's podcast: Facebook admits it was too slow to react to a database error that left hundreds of thousands of users without access to their accounts for more than a week, a security expert calls for Internet passports and Internet police, plus a new take on Olympic medals.

Check out the CNET review and comparison between Windows 7 and OS X.

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Joe is a seasoned Mac veteran with years of experience on the platform. He reports on Macs, iPods, iPhones and anything else Apple sells. Before joining CNET, he even worked in Apple's retail stores. He's also a creative professional who knows how to use a Mac to get the job done.

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by tkessler October 19, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Here's a little personal interpretation for this podcast (which only briefly discusses OS X vs Windows 7):

Windows 7 may have it's perks, but it's not a Mac, which is the environment that I've grown accustomed to computing in. Granted it will have it's benefits and uniquenesses over OS X, but likewise OS X will also have it's perks. Erica Ogg mentions a few in this podcast, such as the launch and boot times of the OS, but also mentions that currently the OS does not currently play games as well as Windows 7. This is for a variety of reasons, primarily because of years of optimization by driver and game developers; however, despite this Erica did not discuss the potential that OS X has brought to the table with Snow Leopard.

When applications (primarily benchmarks at this point) have used Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL, there have been MASSIVE gains in speed. I would very much like to see how this could be used by games, and I suspect it will yield exceptional speed increases for games. Granted this would depend on the hardware demands for the game, but while previously developers had to take advantage of the system hardware with their own code, they can now rely on Apple's APIs to integrate better use of any CPUs and GPUs the system may contain.

I imagine developers are actively incorporating GCD and OpenCL in their applications, and we will see them coming out in the upcoming years.

Personally, despite being a Mac guy I am looking forward to trying Windows 7 out with VMWare; I wont install it using Boot Camp just yet. I would like to see what they've done and how it compares to OS X, so out of curiosity I am interested in it, but as for what I'm comfortable with and what I like, I choose OS X. Many people I've chatted with who have tested Windows 7 have given their impression that it's good and comes close to OS X, but that's about it: comes close.
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by tkessler October 19, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
Also notice that in the comparison article there are some skewed visual representations of OS X's performance. In the cinebench benchmark, it appears at first glance as though OS X performs far less than Win 7; however, in reality this is just because the X-axis does not start at 0. The real performance difference is 5437 for OS X, and 5777 for Windows--a ~5-6% difference, not the apparent 50-60% difference of what the graphic depicts.
by tkessler October 19, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
One final comment is that the review mentions this key conclusion and semi-disclaimer:

"Finally, if money is not an issue--and it definitely is for most of us--you should get a Mac anyway. It's the only platform, for now, that can run both Windows and OS X. Note that this article touched the two operating systems only from the performance point of view. (Mac is also really pretty and Windows offers a lot more options and compatibility.)"

The ability to run all major OSes on Apple hardware makes it exceptionally appealing.
by davidpu October 19, 2009 5:07 PM PDT
i have set it up using bootcamp primarily wanting to get vista off of my mac pro. It runs great with the exception of my wireless mighty mouse not being found most of the drivers from the snow leopard disc worked. It is a vast improvement from vista. Just not nearly as fast as snowy. I was lucky enough to get a early release full legal retail copy of windows 7 ultimate 64bit. Besides the mouse issue the only other issue i see is that the virtual windows xp will not work due to the fact that the macs use efi rather than a standard bios. Overall it is a great windows os and by far the best yet but snowy still out performs it.
by Rick Robinson October 19, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
Broken link to podcast.
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by Cowicide October 19, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
I agree with the first poster that until we see CS5 and udder apps come out and broadly utilities SL's GCD and OpenCL, these kind of head to head tests are rather moot for me. Not to mention that Windows 7 is still a clunky mess when you are trying to get things done compared to OS X -- my God, try your stopwatch with that!
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by scottjennings October 19, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
What the hell happened to MacFixIt? How do we submit issues? Where has the link gone?

cnet?s takeover of this site has made it all but useless. Another useless site to drive ad revenue.

Thanks cnet. Thanks a lot.
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by cnet.aaron October 19, 2009 4:06 PM PDT
Hi Scott,

We're working on adding a better Contact Us option to the page, but until then we add the following to our articles...

"Be sure to check us out on Twitter and the CNET Mac forums.
Do you have questions, issues, or stories you would like to see on MacFixIt? Email Us. (clicking on the link open a message to macfixitinfo@cnet.com)"
by Gennx30 October 19, 2009 5:10 PM PDT
after using Windows for 20 years you couldnt PAY ME enough to go back to it;

BUT HERES THE KICKER
The 21st Century will not be kind to Windows as times go on;
Its architecture chains it to the 20th century
As the years go by the Mac will cruise further ahead of Windows on ALL tests

Windows HAD its day in the sun
Its time to for it to move aside and let the new blood take over
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by REShaman October 20, 2009 6:24 AM PDT
22 years for me with Windows. In 2008 bought a Mac Pro and realized I had suffered for so long. I, too, will never go back. I do run WinXP Pro in VMWare via Boot Camp and do plan to upgrade to Win 7 but merely for convenience. Everything else in my home is Apple.
Best,
Richard
by ianfarrell October 19, 2009 6:35 PM PDT
I'm sorry but I always get the feeling that Cnet has a Microsoft bias.
Yeah sure they have the Apple Byte Podcast but even that is just yawn! Kinda like their token Apple piece.
Even the interview with Steve Ballmer was heavily MS biased which my wife said he came over as arrogant and she likes Windows but said he put her off of Microsoft as a company.
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by heygeo October 19, 2009 9:33 PM PDT
WHAT?! are you kidding me!? if anything CNET is full of Microsoft Haters, biased reviews against all that is microsoft and condescending to all non applefiles.... CNET cannot resist taking shots anytime possible whether its Windows 7, Zune HD, IE (any version), Microsoft Ads, Microsoft announcements.. pretty much anything that doesnt have a big white piece of fruit or all things Google.
by Jackziegler October 19, 2009 7:13 PM PDT
Bring back MacFixIt!
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by TheGraphicMac October 19, 2009 7:24 PM PDT
Benchmark tests are absolutely useless to anyone other than the tech geeks who run them. They tell you nothing about how the computer will perform.

I use Vista at work, and have no problems with it at all. And I'm looking forward to trying Win7. But I'll not be switching from my Mac at home any time in the near future.
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by October 19, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
Ditching my Mac? Are you kidding? I'd ditch Windows long before I'd ditch my Mac. It is obvious that cnet has ruined MacFixIt.

Ditch my Mac. What kind of headline is that?

Besides I've run W-7 on my Mac. It runs on top of NT, it's not new and it's a total resource hog. I ditched Windows 7 for sure.
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by SimonPeters October 20, 2009 12:36 AM PDT
It's one word - "altogether".
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by lkrupp October 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT
I've always known that, deep down inside, Cnet was anti-Apple and always has been. From the incendiary title of this article it is now perfectly clear that Cnet bought MacFixit for the express purpose of turning it into an Apple bashing blog masquerading as a Mac troubleshooting site.

What else could possibly explain the title of this piece-of-crap article. Cnet, you can kiss my Mac arse. Your are useless to Mac users. Eat you-know-what and die!
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by MacFixIt Joe October 20, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
So, what you're saying is, as an Apple-focused site, we should never ever even mention Windows? We should pretend that it does not exist, despite the fact that anywhere between 80-90 percent of computers users run Windows?

As it turns out, many of the people now using Macs were using PCs (running Windows) as their last machine. That trend is very much set to continue, so providing a resource that compares the Mac OS to Windows hardly compromises the integrity of this blog being Pro-Apple.

I find it somewhat disparaging that you consider the title of this article "incendiary". When a new product comes to market, especially one as dominating as Windows, the most common question has to be, "do we keep what we have or make the switch?" It is no different than our articles about why people should switch from Windows Vista to Snow Leopard. It offers the facts, some opinions, and lets people decide.

I fail to see how this article, or any article on MacFixIt "bashes" Apple. If you have a specific example that you are worried about, feel free to let us know.
by glennbah October 20, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
Over the past couple of years, MacFixit has defiantly gone drastically "Down Hill". It's no more than someone taking a quick look at the Apple discussions forums and coming up with some stupid article.
Gone are the days of the close knit Mac forums and really useful information.

So sad to see the original MacFixit get bought out by folks who don't give a dam. So Sad..
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by lkrupp October 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
So now that "MacFixit" is urging users to consider ditching their Macs altogether and recommending Windows 7 to be installed on Macs instead of OS X I wonder if "MacFixit" will be morphing into a Windows troubleshooting blog at some future time? By the way, where IS the Windows troubleshooting equivalent of "MacFixit" on Cnet anyway? I can't seem to find it in the "Reviews" section where "MacFixit" has been dumped.
by MacFixIt Joe October 20, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
As a matter of fact, we are not urging users to switch to Windows. Nor are we urging them to ditch their Macs. Questions are not, inherently, statements. Thus, the question of ditching Apple altogether or adding Windows 7 to your Mac is hardly an urge in that direction.

Many of our users run Windows on their Macs for various reasons. It is a part of the Mac landscape whether the die hard fanboys like it or not. And, as one of those fanboys, I do not particularly seek to write about the Windows environment or post much information about them. However, as a writer that supports the Mac community (a community that does use Windows), I feel it necessary at times to bring issues to the forefront of people's thoughts.

If you would like to submit issues that you have and would like us to report on, help troubleshoot, or otherwise be a part of, please feel free to contact us: macfixitinfo@cnet.com
by fmarder October 20, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
This article is another reason I let my paid subscription lapse. Very misleading. As someone has has given technical presentations for decades, one of the basic rules is that you never truncate the X-Axis as they have done in some of their graphs. It misleads people who are just taking a quick look. Sorry but there are other sites that accurately present information so that people can make informed decisions about what to buy and use.
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by MacFixIt Joe October 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
All paid subscriptions have ended as MacFixIt now offers all our content free of charge (thanks to CNET).
by tkessler October 20, 2009 12:02 PM PDT
I mentioned the X-Axis in my initial comments to clarify that point and have our readers be aware of this when reading the article. Honestly though, that's the only real problem in the article and was probably done to clarify the difference more than show the full scale comparison. It's fine to do this as long as it's noted in the article, the lack thereof being the only mistake. The rest is a fairly unbiased view at the performance of the two operating systems, so I give credit to the article. Unfortunately, some diehard Mac fans tend to see anything that's not blindly pro-apple as a reason to discredit it and claim bias. The conclusion of the article full-out states "Get a Mac" so I cannot agree with anyone who claims it's anti-mac.

I think Joe is very correct in his responses to the commenters above, who seem to be venting frustrations that are based on incorrect conclusions more than anything else. Perhaps this article should have better clarified our take on the title question, but I dont believe its necessary. Our position is this: we don't intend for people to switch and hope people instead find the Mac more appealing; however, given the upcoming OS release some people will be asking themselves this question, especially those who've recently switched from PC to Mac (a good 50% of the Apple store customers). For those people, we recommend they read the linked article to see one angle on the situation and the overall conclusion which is that regardless of the perks of each OS, getting a Mac is still the better solution. The reality is, Windows is better for game performance, and the article points that out. That's not to say that games cannot be played on the Mac, but from a game performance standpoint Windows has been highly optimized and OS X is still playing catch-up. Nevertheless, there are other areas where OS X excels, such as in general application use, and in the potential it brings with GCD and OpenCL, and compatibility with services such as systemwide Exchange support.

OS X is absolutely ripe for the picking, and is primed to take off in terms of performance and features. I think it would benefit everyone greatly to get familiar with this OS, since the marketshare is growing and I feel it's only a matter of time before it's suddenly used by half of all home and business computers in the US.
by xander_crews October 20, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
I have a MacBook Pro with Windows installed.
I boot to Windows every time and use Windows exclusively on it.

Why you ask?

Because if I have access to Windows, why would I ever want/need to boot into OSX?
Windows has far greater compatibility, and quite frankly, it does a heck of a lot more.

Aside from being pretty, there just isn't a need for OSX if you have access to Windows.
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by xander_crews October 20, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
I have a MacBook Pro with Windows installed.
I boot to Windows every time and use Windows exclusively on it.

Why you ask?

Because if I have access to Windows, why would I ever want/need to boot into OSX?
Windows has far greater compatibility, and quite frankly, it does a heck of a lot more.

Aside from being pretty, there just isn't a need for OSX if you have access to Windows.
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by Macnologist October 20, 2009 3:48 PM PDT
Mac OS prevents you from double posting.....

:)
by tunesmith1801 October 20, 2009 6:22 PM PDT
I use a Mac at school, but I also take my PC laptop running windows 7 with me as well. I tend to use the PC more, it just feels better to me. I have less compatibility issues with the PC in the work place. I teach music and take care of the video and audio. I use Vegas on my PC to edit all of our video, and I record audio in Cubase. I really don't see any huge advantage going with either platform. The Mac has its problems and quirks just like the PC has its issues. They are both good, but Windows 7 has been a welcomed change.
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by Jamesnet October 21, 2009 12:48 AM PDT
I have to support hundreds of macs and they give me just as many problems as the PC's. I just wish things weren't so sugar coated on a mac. I can't haul 15 computers to the genius bar because there is no details screen to tell me what is wrong with some apps, or even what it is doing, all I know is it isn't doing what it is supposed to do.

this post just kills me:
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The ability to run all major OSes on Apple hardware makes it exceptionally appealing.

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MS Has to make their software run on millions of configurations, Apple? handful.. And god forbid they open up and let you put it on your own computer.. do that?
They sue you.

It is monopoly of expensive hardware.

But seriously, no matter what a review says comparing 7 to Snow, fanboys of each side will cry.
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by October 21, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
No hablo por lo tanto tapoco consugo leer en su totalidad el ingles,por lo que pido sime pueden mandar en ESPAŅOL.Gracias
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