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October 21, 2009 11:08 AM PDT

Apple clears up an important issue: The difference between discs and disks

by Joe Aimonetti
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In an interesting knowledge base article, Apple clears up one of the age old computing confusions. Namely, what is the difference between a disc and a disk? While there is no ground-breaking revelations in the article, I found it to be noteworthy. Often computer terms are mixed up or misused. Using the proper language when diagnosing issues can be the difference between hours of work. How many times have you heard someone say they couldn't connect to "the Google"?

What is a disc?
Discs are optical media such as an audio CD, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM (or RAM), or a DVD-video disc. Discs also include recordable media, such as CD-R and DVD-R. All discs are removable, meaning they eject from your Mac.

What is a disk?
Disks are magnetic media, like your built-in hard disk. Disks also refer to external hard drives and are always rewritable, unless otherwise protected with software. Disks can be partitioned into smaller sections and be given different functions.

So, the next time you are having an issue with a DVD that is not playing, you will be able to tell the Genius at the Apple Store that your d-i-s-c is not playing properly. Or, if your internal hard drive is acting up, you can tell AppleCare that you seem to be having a d-i-s-k problem. Obviously, this is primarily useful when writing about your issues, so when you log on to the Apple Support Discussions forums or the CNET Mac Forums to describe your problems to other Mac users, be sure to use the proper terms!


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by baldyauldeejit October 21, 2009 11:53 AM PDT
I always wondered about that - thought it was just American English v. International English (not that I ever bothered to look it up).
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by mickmacguy October 21, 2009 11:53 AM PDT
Sheez!
Slow news day?
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by MrAppletosh October 21, 2009 12:01 PM PDT
i find this article insult to the intelligence of all mac users
The diff between disc and disk is the first thing you learn
when you buy/use a computer.

dont you have anything better to write?
Like a review/test for the new released iMacs ect.
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by MacFixIt Joe October 21, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
I disagree. No one "teaches" this when you buy a computer. In fact, many users misuse these terms when asking for troubleshooting help. Yes, even experienced users.

It is hardly an insult to intelligence and more of a reminder. Please recall that not everyone that uses a Mac is an expert computer user. In fact, many are novices, which is why the Mac is so great for them. Note the first comment.
by eksAirbusdriver October 21, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
"i find this article insult to the intelligence of all mac users" Well, son [ and I use that term because you are showing your age, or lack of it ;-) ], before the interwebz, yea, even before the computer, That's right WAY back in the dark ages, the word "disk" was already in use. For some unknown reason, the people who invented CD, seemed to want us to think this was some kind of magic material! Certainly more than a mere "disk!" So, as your installed Apple Dictionary will tell you, "'disc' is simply a variant spelling of 'disk.'" That is; a flat, thin, round object or a shape or surface that is round and flat in appearance. And don't tell those inventors, but that term was even used to describe a phonograph (look it up!) record!

So, despite what Apple says, "A disk by any other color, is still a disk." Or something like that... 8-)

Now, MrAppletosh, I hope the rest of your WHOLE week is less stressful and more joyful. ;-)
by John Albergo October 21, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
Who decided on these definitions? I've been using computers for over 30 years and never learned any hard and fast rule. Disk and Disc are interchangeable in my experience. In conversation, nobody can see the last consonant. The nature of the device becomes apparent from context. There's always the term "hard drive", but of course that will soon be obsolete too. But I imagine we'll still be using the words Disk and Disc when talking about solid-state devices that are neither :D
by mistergsf--2008 October 21, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
@MacFixit Joe - Thank you, I totally agree. I have to admit that I use to have an "attitude" myself but I've come to realize not everyone is an expert computer user. When I'm providing support to a family member or a friend, it drove me crazy when they would refer to their hard "disk" as their "memory". I understood them but it does help when you can learn to use the proper technical terms.
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by terryl October 21, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
So a 'Disc' is a "optical" or any "removable media". And a 'Disk' is "magnetic" and "built in". So where does a removable magnetic dis? such as a floppy, zip, jazz, or Orb dis? fit in?

I wasn't confused before, but I am now, Joe. Let's just stick with the dictionary definition that "disc" is just an alternative spelling of "disk". Kind of like "****" is an alternative spelling of "****". It really doesn't matter which one you use, as long as you are looking at it when you say it.
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by MEPace October 21, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
And don't forget magneto-optical drive's media which is optical, magnetic and removable! ;-)
by WhiteDog October 21, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
Indeed, many people don't know their hard drive from a hole in the ground. And, though I've used a Mac for many years, I wasn't aware of the distinction between "disc" and "disk." I shall use the words more carefully hereafter. Thanks.
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by tkessler October 21, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
Now the big question is: how to pronounce them when talking to folks?....tomato tomAto, potato potAto...disk disc :D
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by Macsure1 October 21, 2009 8:48 PM PDT
I agree that this is a necessary clarification. That is, because Apple, like any computer manufacturer, is always gaining new customers and some of those are ignorant of proper nomenclature. Those helpers on the Apple Support forums (actually, it's "fora") will testify (often at length! LOL!) about difficulties in diagnosing problems or proposing remedial procedures when the one asking for help does not know the proper words and terms.

For those of us who are more informed about the proper terms, it's sometimes just annoying to see how words like 'disk' and 'disc' are bandied about..

Saying one thing and meaning another is just too damned annoying. I'm a long time participant in shooting sports so I know quite a bit about the terminology of firearms. One thing gets me growling and that is the all-too common use of the words "bullet" and "bullets" when what is meant are: cartridge and ammunition. Grrrr! I notice particularly this is a common mistake of journalists, wether they be of the print or television kind. "Police recovered a closet full of bullets from the street gang's lair." -- Geez!!!
A closet full of jacketed lead bullets would weigh a couple of tons but would be "inert" and harmless.
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by gnfree October 21, 2009 10:50 PM PDT
What if I take a DVD and create a Toast file and then mount it? It looks like a disc, but is not physically removable from my computer as term is described. But my Mac thinks it's a disc.
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by tkessler October 21, 2009 11:59 PM PDT
I think that's a "disck"

In reality, I imagine that would still be referred to as a "Disc", since it's representing a removable drive.
by macdad614 October 22, 2009 4:15 AM PDT
From having read comments over the years on various forums, it is clear that most people pay little or no attention to spelling of words - except when that term is being discussed.

Disc describes a physical object which is circular in nature and is flat. This has been common for over a hundred years.

Disk has been used in the computer field since disks were used for electromagnetic storage of data.
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by scooper1 October 22, 2009 4:53 AM PDT
Everyone seems to have missed the key point -- CompactDisc (abbreviated CD) is a trade mark, so when talking about optical media of this general type, "disc" it is. The reason it has a "c" is that the term is of European origin.
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by afterhours October 22, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
It's a latin derivative... from discus in its current form or going back further to the greek origins, diskos -- so choose your origins. round, flat thingy that often is thrown great distances either in frustration, as a weapon or to show off. Not unlike so many posts on cnet.
by Fingal October 22, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
It might be very interesting to have a periodic article on the top ten most misused computer terms but I don't think this one would make the list. Many people use World Wide Web when they mean Internet and vice versa. Lot's of people say "Log on to our web site." when there's no username and password to enter. There's laptop vs. notebook but I don't think there's even agreement anymore on what the exact distinction is. There used to be a huge difference but, by the old definition, no one makes laptops today. It's all notebooks.
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by tkessler October 22, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
The problem with that is the landscape changes. With cell phones these days the definition of "app" seems to be a program specifically for the phone rather than an "application". Technically, I"ve been "Texting" for years with AIM, ICQ before that, and IRC before that, but that's not used to describe that form of chat.
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by fnyunj October 22, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
Must comment here.
I'm a former employee of Seagate Software. As the folklore goes:
Al Shugart, founder of Seagate Technology, claims to have 'coined' the term "Disc" as a Seagate-proprietary term for THEIR magnetic storage drives. When the CD-ROM folks came around and started using the term, he didn't do anything to stop it. But when you looked at all the old Seagate sales literature, they used the term "disc" exclusively. It was actually kind of funny, and sad.

Seagate Software was bought-up by Veritas, who was bought by Symantec, and I'm not sure what happened to the hard-drive part of seagate, are they still making drives? I think they were bought, Shugart was forced out, and the brand name is still being used by some other company. All ancient history now. I have a friend who is a linguistic anthropologist. She'd find this stuff interesting. I don't see why the rest of us would.
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by krisjones1 October 24, 2009 2:46 AM PDT
This isn't a new support article, it's just been updated. It first appeared on Apple's Knowledge Base some years back. I think it has been updated to include SSDs.

Optical media are referred to as "discs" because that was the spelling used for the first CD patent application.
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by JWKessler October 24, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
Being a bit dyslectic, there is another often confused term that I always have to think about - the difference between Mb and MB. People tend to use them interchangeably but they are very different.

And for those like me who need help it's Mega-bit versus Mega-Byte.
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