May 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT

Obama kills Bush fuel cell plan

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WASHINGTON--President George W. Bush's $1.2 billion plan to develop cars powered by hydrogen fuel cells was eliminated by President Barack Obama last week, saving $100 million a year.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu said the government prefers to target more immediate energy-saving solutions.

"The probability of deploying hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the next 10 to 20 years is low," Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch said in an interview.

(Source: Automotive News)

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by benchwarmer May 11, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
As much as I support the idea of hydrogen cars, there's no question in my mind that the Bush administration used the technology as a red herring.

The logistics of establishing a "hydrogen economy" are just mind boggling. I totally agree that the technology is too far out there and that our money (meaning taxpayers) would be better used improving on existing technologies and others that don't require a massive shift in infrastructure (for example how do we safely transport compressed hydrogen, how do we store it, how doe we make a robust supply of hydrogen fuel without using more fossil fuels (which defeats the point)).

Some of these answers will come by the exploration of larger fuel cells for power generation (homes, companies, etc). That technology is still being funded. It's just the fuel cell car that is being put on the back burner.
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by txfire24 May 11, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
You might want to look up Honda FCX Clarity. Its already made and on the road in Southern California.
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by make_or_break May 12, 2009 9:02 AM PDT
Makes NO difference how good the Clarity is, or whether it's available now (which it isn't; it's only being run on a test basis by Honda with select consumers, much like GM did with its EV1 electric car in Cali a few years back).

The problem isn't the cars, it's the lack of infrastructure to SUPPORT the cars. 10 to 20 years is wholly unreasonable to have all the refuelling points up and running across the U.S.; the investment would be MASSIVE and without HUGE government subsidies private enterprise won't see it through on their own. OTOH, in places like China hydrogen could indeed work; there IS no existing gasoline infrastructure, and putting in a hydrogen station would cost just as much as a petrol one.
by Donniebrasco May 12, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
Not to mention there is no way to produce and store hydrogen is a manner that doesn't use more energy than you produce. Guess where that energy is coming from? Same with the boondoggle that is corn based ethanol. Nothing but a farm subsidy disguised as a national energy policy.
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by BenFlavoredCandy May 12, 2009 10:22 AM PDT
Good for Obama. People don't realize how far away a hydrogen economy is. Any ideas where our hydrogen would come from? I'll give you a hint: not water... natural gas! Hmm...
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by altenergyrealist May 13, 2009 5:26 AM PDT
When produced in quantities at plants similar to refinery size ,hydrogen on an energy basis is the SAME PRICE as gasoline at the spigot. It can be delivered over the road in liquid or gaseous form, or the lowest cost is through pipelines just like natrual gas. Millions of people drive over hydrogen pipelines all around the world, there's one that runs down the center of LA serving several refineries to produce low sulfur fuels. There are extensive pipelines in the Gulf Coast. There are about 1000 miles of such pipelines around the world. Delivering hydrogen to a station in quantities similar to your corner gasoline station is done everyday to numerous processes like electronic fabs, steel plants , glass plants, pharmacueticals.......... As to availablity of hydrogen, there is enough hydrogen made in the US to fuel about 15 million vehicles a day. NREL published amap that shows hydrogen plants are in every state.I guess that's not enough to start a hydrogen economy. Please get the facts straight. FYI- The Clarity is a thing of beauty, congrats to Honda.
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by Wiggletoe May 24, 2009 1:46 AM PDT
Hydrogen fueling system is the existing natural gas distribution system plus off-the-shelf reformers at local service stations from Air Products with advertised 90% efficiency ranges and the same natural gas used to make gasoline would be enough for fuel cell cars.
An initial step in refining is adding hydrogen, then in the cat-cracker more hydrogen is added and then its was blended with 10% oxidizer (MTBE) made from natural gas. Reform natural gas at the service station and use it in a 300% more efficient system (fuel cell) and fuel cell cars can run on the same natural gas or hydrogen used to make gasoline, minus the crude (added carbon) or course.
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