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Indecent Exposure Podcast 62: Individuality exercised

by Lori Grunin
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Lusting for a Leica, getting over a fear of flash, and in-depth with the results of our photo-editing experiment. Our longest podcast ever!

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EPISODE 62

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Leica M9 previews: DPReview, Luminous Landscape


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Last topic: None
Next topic: Sports. Deadline: Thursday, 9/17 12pm ET
Note: To minimize confusion, we're now providing entry deadlines. They'll usually be Thursdays at noon Eastern time. You can still post links after that, which may still get included, but to ensure they get entered, that's the time you should target. To enter, please use the blog comments to provide a link to your entry, plus any background information you'd like to share with us and other listeners.

Today's questions
Leica lust

Hello I was thinking for buying a Leica M-8 or M-9 but I have to ask for your opinion now because when I first started looking at the digital M series there was only the M-8 which has an upgrade program. Now that Leica has just released the M-9 I called Leica and was informed that the upgrade for the M-8 will not cover the sensor that is in the M-9. With technology advancing at such a rate that technology today is obsolete in two years ( and that is being generous) how can I or anyone justify paying the price for a timeless piece of photographic awesomeness that is no longer timeless. I have long wanted a Leica since my first photo internship back 1994 and through the years as I have seen various pros producing beautiful images with them. I Guess what I am trying to say is that I really want a Leica but I need to find a way to be happy with a $6000-$7000 camera purchase (without any lens crazy right) that may maybe outdated in two years and was hoping you could add something to the equation that I have not thought of to nudge me toward the Leica or totally steer me away so I can forget about it and move on.
Thanks, Larry from Vienna, VA
P.S. Why can't Voigtl?nder just come out with a $1000-$2000 M-mount digital rangefinder so I can put Leica lens on it and live half the dream. Imagine that a digital Bessa RA SWEET


Fear of flash

Hi Lori and Matt,
thanks for covering my question in the last podcast. and oh Lori, you got my name perfect; great pronunciation! i'm taking your advice and i'm keeping a little notebook with me to start writing my own "rules."
so here's my next question for you guys:
I want to get a external flash unit for my camera (I shoot Canon). But the thing looks intimidating. There's a whole new set of buttons on it and before i get one, i want to know the basics of operating one of these units. For example, what is ETT-L (is that correct?) does the flash meter itself automatically based off the camera or do i need to set the flash metering manually? what's the biggest difference between a "cheap" flash unit and one that costs twice to three times as much? also, can you cover how and when to use "flash fill" properly?
thanks!
P.S. I really enjoy your podcast! keep up the good work.
Oh and Matt, if Lori is the glass of warm milk, you are the Oreo cookie that goes with it! a perfect combination of pure awesomeness!
Best, Weihua Chen, MS


Senior Editor Lori Grunin has been covering digital imaging for two decades, but her memory's kind of sketchy on the details. You can hear about it every week on Indecent Exposure, the podcast she co-hosts with Matt Fitzgerald.
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by atfr September 13, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
Hello guys,

I'm back and I want to let you know that I've listened every show in the weeks that I didn't submitted any images.

A friend asked me what is a rangefinder and I couldn't truly give him a definite answer and I want to ask you: What is a rangefinder? From what I've understood rangefinders don't have a mirror so what's the difference between a digital rangefinder and 4/3 camera? What's so special about a rangefinder and why they cost that much?

Here is my submission for this week's contest:
http://pix.ie/allexradu/1055240/size/800

Allex Radu
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by graceraven September 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
Super photo Alex!
by puraime September 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT
Hi Lori and Matt,

Last episode you mentioned about manual focus lenses and third party flash guns. I have recently in the last few months acquired a manual lens and a third party flash : tamron adaptall for my nikon d80 as well as a nissin flash unit.

having played with them i found the manual lens as a cheap alternative for beginners like me. however everything falls upon trial and error. no metering and no autofocus aside, the lens is a heavy clunk. As for third party flash, though they are cheap, they lack alot of features of original manufacturer flash units. Although iTTL works on most of my lenses, the manual lens on the body will fail to allow the flash to fire. Using commander mode and off camera flash helps to allow the flash to work manually as it also lack the CLS feature of the originals.For their price, I am still very happy and will getting more manual lenses in the future, as for flash, i will try to get an original one to supplement the third party unit.

Blehk
from Singapore again, male.
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by heidifischer September 14, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
Hi Lori and Matt:
Here is my submission for this week: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22756141@N06/3919677884/
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by heidifischer September 18, 2009 6:00 AM PDT
The wind was fierce that day and at a turn, I was able to capture him gliding through.
by jeppcharts September 19, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
Outstanding!
by genebrowder September 14, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
Hey guys,

Here is my entry for the sports contest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37791728@N07/3788919926/

Using Scott Kelby's Advice,"Shoot from a different angle". The camera was placed on a tripod and shot up. This allowed for a full body shot. This was taken at a High school Colorado state track meet.

This was also considered:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37791728@N07/3920822304/

It has a lot of elements. The older brother relieving his pee-wee glory. The mother showing disappointment. Another mother, covering her eyes but peeking. The referee whistling touch down.

Highgloss
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by heidifischer September 18, 2009 5:54 AM PDT
The expression on the face of the runner, the frontal angle, and the proximity of the subject gives you a good sense of place. Nice shot!
by bquad September 14, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
Hi Lori & Matt,

Here is the link to my submission for the sports photo contest.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bquad/3920999733/

Here is a link to the whole gallery sports photos I was considering.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bquad/sets/72157622248267077/

Sincerely,
B Quad
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by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:50 PM PDT
Looks good.
by super6s September 15, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
I rarely do sports, but this was my daughter's 1st game... it was a cold, rainy, mud bath...she loved it! This is the aftermath. I did get the shoes almost completely clean, though.

Sports:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/herfirstgamesmall.jpg

Markitect
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by jeppcharts September 16, 2009 10:11 AM PDT
Love it, Mark!
by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT
Mark, very nicely done!
by bquad September 15, 2009 10:38 AM PDT
You might enjoy this photo-journalism talking slide show by TIME: See stunning pictures taken with the classic color film - http://su.pr/1lvnDO

? Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away?
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by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:46 PM PDT
This was great!
by jeppcharts September 16, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
Hi Lori & Matt,

Here is my submission for this weeks contest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital-salsa/3879474171/in/set-72157622211837970/

Thanks again for the great show!

Eric
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by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:45 PM PDT
This is a nice shot, although I like your image 2712 better. The one player pointing (taunting) adds a bit more to it.
by jdmedina September 16, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
Hey Lori & Matt

Here goes my entry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloodless/3832743126/sizes/l/

The human body is truly an amazing machine!
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by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:40 PM PDT
Great composition here and the green grass really glows.
by KeithMac2007 September 16, 2009 9:37 PM PDT
Hello again to all,

Well I heard you response in the last show and I do agree with you Lori. So I have cut way back on the HDR, it was like a new toy and getting over used. So this week I made my self try really hard not to bracket the heck out of everything. I wasn't able to get to any sports games so I set out a tad different. It was hard to choose between two images but I am going with the Black and White. I like the composition, the contrast of the image and the there was a piece of a human in the image. The only criteria I had was shoot late afternoon for longer shadows, try to get something I haven't seen before (hopefully all of you to) and pick one aspect of a particular sport.

So here it is, non HDR:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmacke/3925868135/

Although the two baseball shots did end up HDR.
Keith
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by dgroszek September 17, 2009 6:36 PM PDT
Hi Matt & Lori
Guess I am not much of a sports fan, and this was as close as I got to sports this week.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35413458@N03/3930551302/

Good luck with show!
Dane
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by twenty_two September 19, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
Here's my sports entry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11061372@N07/3934844777/

Took it while I was on a business trip, which is also why I'm late.

Hope you enjoy it.

-ChewDawg
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by KaymeePhotography September 21, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
I know I'm really, really late.

Here's my entry, titled "Going Matrix:"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaymeephoto/3942124617/

Chad
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by E.H. September 24, 2009 6:34 PM PDT
Hello Lori
since you don't use fill flash check out http://web.canon.jp/imaging/flashwork/index.html I think it may change your mind. It's a major part of good photography.
Eric.
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