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Indecent Exposure Podcast 64: Incongruous expressions

by Lori Grunin
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Getting the raw end of the contest deal, looking for some Fringe-Be-Gone, and seeing geometrically.

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EPISODE 64

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Last topic: Geometry

Next topic: White. Deadline: Thursday, October 9, 12 p.m. ET
Note: To minimize confusion, we're now providing entry deadlines. They'll usually be Thursdays at noon Eastern time. You can still post links after that, which may still get included, but to ensure they get entered, that's the time you should target. To enter, please use the blog comments to provide a link to your entry, plus any background information you'd like to share with us and other listeners.

Today's questions
Raw surrender

I entered a contest to be included in a local calendar and won a coveted (sarcasm) spot. The organizer wrote to me and asked for the original raw .nef file, because they want to include the picture without any Photoshop work. This makes me uncomfortable. The picture submitted had been cropped, color corrected, contrast enhanced, and telephone lines erased. Obviously, if I send them the original, it will no doubt turn out the same as the one I submitted. If they go in and alter the image (which they'll have to do just by converting from raw,) I feel like the picture is no longer mine. I don't want my name accompanying their version of my picture. Sure, it could be better, but I still don't feel like it's mine. I want the publicity the calendar will generate, but I want my unaltered picture to be included.
What say you?
Bob McClenahan


Fringing be gone

I had a question, in case you haven't yet recorded the podcast. I was looking again at this photo and noticed a lot of purple fringing in the upper half of the skylight. I don't usually notice this problem with my camera, but it appears very distinct in this particular photo given the post-processing I did to the (originally) underexposed image.
I could scour forums and specialty websites to find an answer to this, but I figured you might be a more direct route: Is there a way to remove fringing like this from photos in post-processing/Photoshop? This isn't often a big problem, but I have definitely noticed it before, and didn't know if there was any relatively simple fix beyond the stereotypical-gear-snob's reply of, "Get a better camera."
Bob McClenahan



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Senior Editor Lori Grunin has been covering digital imaging for two decades, but her memory's kind of sketchy on the details. You can hear about it every week on Indecent Exposure, the podcast she co-hosts with Matt Fitzgerald.
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by justex07 October 4, 2009 6:15 PM PDT
My name is Justin, I'm a photography student at the University of Missouri at Columbia. I've been listening for about a year now but this is my first try at the photo contests! Really bummed I missed out on last week's contest on geometry, my pictures have an inherent geometric feel to them!

The three photos I'd like to enter are the following. (I hope I'm doing the submission correctly!)

http://justinmoorescott.com/index.php?showimage=217
http://justinmoorescott.com/index.php?showimage=229
http://justinmoorescott.com/index.php?showimage=220

I JUST did a photo critique last week with several white images, many can be viewed at my photoblog http://justinmoorescott.com as well as the rest of my photo critiques.

Looking forward to the other submissions!

Thanks for this opportunity,

-justin

http://thatsjustin.com
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by KeithMac2007 October 5, 2009 10:30 PM PDT
FYI: Only one entry and I believe It is the first one that will be used. To bad I really like the third one the best. Like the lighting there the most.
by justex07 October 6, 2009 7:05 AM PDT
@KeithMac2007

oh is that right? well then yes, definitely number three http://justinmoorescott.com/index.php?showimage=220 as my entry. I had seen multiple entries from people in the past and heard about them on the show so I thought you could have a few.

Thanks!
by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Justin,
You are right about the geometric feel to your pictures. I browsed around and liked the White Blue Gray picture.
Heidi Fischer
by justex07 October 8, 2009 7:35 AM PDT
Thanks heidifischer.

I guess I should maybe explain a little about my submission

http://justinmoorescott.com/index.php?showimage=220

I was flying from Columbia Missouri, where I go to school, to Houston where my parents lived a few weeks ago. I was heading to baggage claim at the George H. W. Bush International Airport when I was blinded by white. The terminal is, terminally, under construction and this the result I guess.

I saw the wall and having an obsession with manufactured spaces, had to take a picture. TSA looked at me funny as I kneeled onto the floor with my D700 and took a quick shot. Only had one try as three TSA agents started walking towards me!
by genebrowder October 4, 2009 7:17 PM PDT
Hi Guys.

I took a different approach to this weeks contest. Instead of photographing white, I photographed black. And, then I inverted them. This is something I just wanted to try.

So, here is my submission for this weeks contest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37791728@N07/3982552788/sizes/l/

This is the original:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37791728@N07/3981255869/sizes/l/

Highgloss
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by KeithMac2007 October 5, 2009 10:30 PM PDT
Nice technique.
by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
I'm going to try this....endless possibilities.
:) Heidi Fischer
by khmer2rulz October 4, 2009 7:56 PM PDT
Hey isnt this week's contest is about changing seasons?
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by genebrowder October 4, 2009 8:46 PM PDT
The changing of the seasons will be the oct 22 contest.
by khmer2rulz October 4, 2009 11:17 PM PDT
Ok thanks. This is my first time here. I've been a long time listener to IE.
by khmer2rulz October 4, 2009 7:58 PM PDT
Here is my contribution for this week
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38593368@N07/3982680028/?eOrig=3588264375
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by khmer2rulz October 4, 2009 11:19 PM PDT
Sorry about this post, i posted it too early. It a walkway from the shops near my house and was taken with my Nokia N95 (A Camera Phone). I believe that the best camera is the one that you have with you.
by atfr October 5, 2009 5:13 AM PDT
Hello guys,

This is my submission for this week's contest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allex/3983816090/

Allex Radu
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by KeithMac2007 October 5, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Good use of negative space.
by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
Very nicely done. I can see that print in my office!
Heidi Fischer
by Trigger_Happy_Ind October 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
Hi guys,

Here is my submission for this weeks contest.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38413087@N02/3984494394/

Karthik
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
Beam me up Scotty!
by dgroszek October 6, 2009 3:45 AM PDT
Hi All
This should be all over news today but since I am on EST giving a shout out.
Kudo's to the scientists who created the technology behind digital photography. Willard Boyle and George Smith share Nobel Prize in Physics 2009 for inventing the CCD sensor. I'm sure it was not that clean cut, but glad they got recognized, and opened path into digital photography. Wonder how many Indecent Exposures of their own they had on the way?

VTY - DaneinNY
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by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
A toast to them!
by lee_adc October 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
Here's my submission for this weeks contest:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leeadc/3500389414

Lee.
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:51 AM PDT
Great DOF and a pretty flower.
by jcdberkeley October 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
Alrighty, here's my contest submission this week:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2vC9akSxKpVvS1nT2hWHjw?feat=directlink

Pity that I don't have actual snow to work with here in sunny California!
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by super6s October 7, 2009 8:12 AM PDT
Very cool. I think this could have been a good submission for the geometry competition. The trees have 2 divergence points (subtle 'V' pattern), set up in a repitious pattern, but irregular in their individual shape & there are definite horizontal lines under the blossoms on the ground... besides I love those trees.

Markitect
by October 7, 2009 1:30 AM PDT
Here is my entry for the contest "White."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989002875/

Others I considered entering:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989023371/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989778666/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989778600/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989758128/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmr638b/3989002793/

Mike
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by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:35 PM PDT
I like the emotion that the picture conveys. Peaceful, early morning...
Heidi Fischer
by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:51 AM PDT
I like the contrast of yellow and black, Him mostly yellow and her mostly black.
by mad_marv October 7, 2009 5:10 AM PDT
Here's my entry for "White"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/madmarv/3365115590/
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
I just don't see it? But nice and puffy!
by heidifischer October 8, 2009 2:20 PM PDT
Definitely an armadillo... :)
by super6s October 7, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
So you think I'm in an architectural rut? I resent that!

My submission this week for white... an architectural detail of terra cotta:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/White.jpg

It is rainy here this week & I find this subject difficult. This is one in a series I was doing of downtown details. I wanted a white on white tone photo, but left the color of the brick & the black of the storefront in to show that it wasn't converted to B&W. I think the side colors help set off the white in this case (center focal point).

Here are 2 other considerations (same subject type):

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/IMG_3232white.jpg
- I almost had to flip a coin, this was the close second for the submission. A friend said that it looked like it was incomplete... like it was cropped too much to show what was going on. I cropped it to show this piece specifically.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/White.jpg
- I like it because it is not staright on (even though it falls out of the series I was shooting), but it is too beat up & has too much color mixed in with the white. I felt that it detracted from the subject matter a little too much for the submission.

Markitect
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
I like this shot though I think i would be better if you cropped out the red brick.
by KeithMac2007 October 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
Hello All,

I tried something new for this one. Made a small home studio with a white paper roll, a Home Depot light and a off camera flash. I hate using the off camera flash as I can never get the look I want from it, but I persevered through it. I shot a lot of images with a lot of inconsistency. Kind goes with the experiment.
The subject is a little close to home (for Lori and Matt).

Here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmacke/3990380997/

Thanks for the show
Keith Macke
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by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
Ha ha...clever name and love to see Lori and Matt on the screen.
by heidifischer October 7, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
Hi Lori and Matt,
I hate it when my work keeps me from entering the contests! Anyway, I found white to be really tough. However, I wanted to shoot something that was extremely white, and I remembered that I had this seashell that I bought at a shop several years ago.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22756141@N06/3990811193/
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
One of your best!
by JayMonster October 7, 2009 4:29 PM PDT
One correction. You certainly CAN open JPG photos in the Camera Raw Edition that comes with Photoshop Elements. However, you can not do it from the Organizer. Go into the Photoshop Elements Editor, select File and Open As. Select the JPG image you wish to open and select Camera Raw as the "Open as Type" (it defaults to Photoshop PSD, so you have to be sure to select Camera Raw).

As a matter of fact, Lori read this as a reader tip I submitted back in Episode 10 (I think... might have been 11). Just getting caught up after a brief hiatus, and love how the show has evolved.
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by graceraven October 7, 2009 6:15 PM PDT
Hi Matt & Lori,

Here is my white entry for this week. Love the podcast.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30978872@N03/3991054315/

Grace
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by heidifischer October 8, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
I had to really look to figure the picture out, and I love that!
by squirrelscience October 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
Brian here,

White was the contest, so naturally I dragged a telescope outside and tried my luck.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/all_things_design/3992052214/sizes/o/

I'm not entirely satisfied with the focus/ clarity, but I'm going to cut myself some slack until I get a proper astrophotography setup where I don't have to hold my camera up to the telescope's eyepiece.

Additionally, I have a question this week (I'll post it here and send an e-mail since I'm not sure which method is protocol) question follows:

I had a question come up this week at my internship and I suddenly realized how little I know about bit-depth. I've always been aware of 8, 16, and 32 bit color mode options, but never really got a handle on the intricacies of them. I did a bit of research and came up with the potential problem of banding in 8 bit mode, but I was hoping you guys could expound upon any advantages and disadvantages there may be when working in the various bit levels.

Many thanks.... - Brian
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by twenty_two October 7, 2009 11:40 PM PDT
Here's my "white" submission: Whole Milk

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11061372@N07/3989643510/

I tried using an off-camera flash with my on-body flash as the commander, but since the on-body flash only points one way, I got a nasty reflection. I guess I have to buy more Speedlights. =(

-ChewDawg
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by Owen_Martin October 8, 2009 7:01 AM PDT
Hi,

This is my entry for the "white" contest.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/owenmartin/3491398123/in/set-72157617390246560

Owen Martin
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by KeithMac2007 October 8, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
A really nice image.
by dgroszek October 8, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
OK - Here is mine. Had dreams of multiple white corrections and color temperatures but alas and hdr'd dinner was all I could muster.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35413458@N03/3993680207/

Keep the photons rolling...DaneinNY
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