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Indecent Exposure Podcast 66: Inferred extracurriculars

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Flummoxed by film scanning, finding white balance where there is none, and they only come out at night (to shoot).

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EPISODE 66

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Last topic: Night
Winner: Bridge Lights

Honorable mentions: Too many to count!

Next topic: Change of seasons. Deadline: Thursday, October 29, 12 p.m. EDT
Note: To minimize confusion, we're now providing entry deadlines. They'll usually be Thursdays at noon Eastern time. You can still post links after that, which may still get included, but to ensure they get entered, that's the time you should target. To enter, please use the blog comments to provide a link to your entry, plus any background information you'd like to share with us and other listeners.

Today's questions

Film scanning

Busy this week, so found an old one. This was a film photo scanned, so please pardon the fuzziness. It was scanned from the negative. Any pointers on this? Mark


Night white balance

Could you talk about white balancing night photos with street lights? Specifically how to make the sky look black instead of a dark version of another color. And also stay true to the colors of the lights in the pics. I've been all across the spectrum trying to find the right effect.
Mad_Marv


Senior Editor Lori Grunin has been covering digital imaging for two decades, but her memory's kind of sketchy on the details. You can hear about it every week on Indecent Exposure, the podcast she co-hosts with Matt Fitzgerald.
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by KeithMac2007 October 16, 2009 5:24 PM PDT
Hello All,

Here is my entry in the "Change of Seasons"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmacke/3984537833/

Keith Macke
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by kalmbach October 19, 2009 7:43 AM PDT
Great color on this shot Keith.
by heidifischer October 20, 2009 2:58 PM PDT
The blue is unexpected and really adds to the red of the leaf!
by October 22, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
Beautiful exposure and wonderful idea to capture the blue of the reflected sky and the reds of the leaves. Well done.
by super6s October 16, 2009 7:14 PM PDT
Lori & Matt,
Thanks for the pointers on the scanning of the negative. As you know I am cheap, so the scanner belonged to the office. It was an Epson, had a tray to insert the negative & had a light on the lid of the scanner, but no dedicated scan device. The photo is about 13 yrs old & was probably scanned about 5 years ago. The negative was pretty old & probably processed through K-Mart's Kodak processing. I never used their 1 hour processing... always sent it off. I never trusted the calibration of the 1 hour processors on site.

Anyway, glad to be shooting digital. Oh, the original negative was scanned in at 2400 dpi & had some post work, but not a lot. Honestly, I thought it came out better than I expected. However, sounds like a good reason to go skiing again... better shots with the new camera!

Nothing yet for the fall, colors just starting to turn here in Arkansas. Thanks for the extension.
Markitect
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by kentiga October 16, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
Lori and Matt,

Long time listener but I always seem to be behind when listening to the podcast so I haven't ever asked a question. I seem to have problems sharpening for print. I always sharpen when I resize for web publishing and I have that nailed down. However, sharpening for print seems to be so much trickier. I've yet to find a great way to go about it. Do you sharpen based on what sized print you'll be making or more generic if you decide you want different sized prints later on? Any tips for using Unsharp Mask? Thanks!

Sorry if this has been asked before and I've just missed it.
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by Shindubob October 17, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
Here's my Submission:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukedebruijn/

This was taken outside the Fireside motel in Castlegar, BC, Canada. It got pretty cold that night and the sprinklers came on. It was a cool scene to wake up to.
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by atfr October 18, 2009 11:04 AM PDT
Post the direct link o the photo, not the link of your photostream.

Allex Radu
by Shindubob October 18, 2009 5:10 PM PDT
Oops, sorry. Here's the real link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukedebruijn/4020422183/
by heidifischer October 20, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
I've never seen frozen cherries before. Great shot!
by Shindubob October 21, 2009 5:35 PM PDT
Thank you. The motel we stayed at was kind of a dive, so it was nice that we got a cool view in the morning.
by J--J October 18, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
Hi Lori and Matt,

Here's my submission, taken on my old Canon 10D:

http://flickr.com/gp/twojays/11w9d9

Also a question: I've finally decided to retire the aforementioned 10D and am on the fence between a used 5D (original, not Mark II) or a new 50D. I shoot mostly landscape and travel so am I better with the newer technology or the full frame sensor? Also, any thoughts about the 17-85 IS kit lens with the 50D?

Thanks and keep up the great show.

John from Toronto
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by KeithMac2007 October 20, 2009 7:52 PM PDT
Very nice image, though maybe shot at a lower angle would have made the foreground nicer.
by KeithMac2007 October 20, 2009 8:36 PM PDT
Very nice image, though maybe shot at a lower angle would have made the foreground nicer.

As for your body issue, what glass do you already own. with the 50D you will have a 1.6 crop so the wide lenses will narrow. The image sensor on the 50D is less sharp then the 40D at 400 ISO and higher, so if you enjoy crisp images and print them this may be an issue with the 50D. The 5D will let in more light for lower light viewing and you will get better bokeh.
On the he 17-85, IS is a nice feature to have but don't think that it makes up for the lack of aperture width. The lens isn't particularly sharp. If you got this lens "free" with your camera body then you are in luck. Another lens you might want to look into if you're checking this one out is the Canon EF 17-40 f/4. It's comparable in price, has a fixed f/4 but just doesn't have the additional zoom length to it.
by J--J October 22, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
Yes I'm ashamed to say the roadside gradient and the impending drop into the marsh affected the angle I was willing to get at the shot with.

I'm carrying a 20-35 f/4-5.6, a 70-200f/4L, and I carry a 50mm f/1.8 portrait lens for when I need speed. I wasn't aware that the 40D is more sharp than the 50D at higher ISO so that might be an additional budget option for me.

The 17-85 IS isn't quite "free" but in some places that kit is only a few hundred bucks over the body-only options. I've definitely looked at and admired the 17-40 f/4L but at $750 it's a big jump for a little ol' amateur like me.

Given that lens selection, do you think a used 5D the way to go or is the used 40D going to be worth it at half the price?
by atfr October 18, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
Hello guys,

This is my submission for the change of seasons contest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allex/4023057516/sizes/l/

Allex Radu
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by lgrunin October 19, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
It turns out that the moon's size at the horizon only appears larger than when high in the sky to our easily confused brains.

See: http://www.livescience.com/mysteries/060907_moon_big.html

Thanks to Mike S. for pointing this out via email.
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by gandysteve October 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
Change of seasons entry:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevegandy/3062058602/in/set-72157606409717017/

I used the negative settings on the clarify slider in Adobe Camera Raw to deepen the color of the leaves. Colorado always gets attention because of the aspen gold but the high prairie cottonwoods are my favorites.
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by heidifischer October 20, 2009 3:11 PM PDT
Gorgeous shot.
by KeithMac2007 October 20, 2009 7:48 PM PDT
Nice photo.
by lee_adc October 21, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
Beautiful colour on the leafs, great photograph.
by Shindubob October 21, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
Beautiful colours!
by heidifischer October 20, 2009 2:55 PM PDT
Hi Lori and Matt,
This year, we had the worst drought ever, and for us the onset of fall just meant some wind and rain. Nothing turned ... So, here is a representation of that in this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22756141@N06/4023799739/

Heidi
Austin, TX
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by KeithMac2007 October 20, 2009 7:39 PM PDT
Sorry to hear that.
by dr_johnston October 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT
Change of seasons: 40D in Montreal
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14846403@N03/4010687960/sizes/l/

Mike
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by KeithMac2007 October 20, 2009 7:39 PM PDT
Showed up as a private page no image.
by Shindubob October 21, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
I couldn't see the image either. Came up as private.
by dr_johnston October 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
Doh, try again...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14846403@N03/4010687960/
by dr_johnston October 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
Doh, try again...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14846403@N03/4010687960/
by dr_johnston October 25, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
Weird should be freely visible, I'll try again....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14846403@N03/4010687960/

Mike
by lee_adc October 21, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
Hi,

Here's my submission for this weeks contest. It was really hard for me to decide which photo to select this week as Autumn is becoming my favourite season!!!. But this one is my favourite.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leeadc/4023394490/

I was trying to show something more than the change in colour on the tree's at this time of year. In the UK these colourful fungi appear during October. They push up from the ground in a burst with vibrant colour, in total contrast to dying leafs falling from the tree's. I also liked the leafs on the floor giving a hint to the season and the side lighting on the fungi.

Hope you like it also...

Keep up the great work , Lee.
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by Kurgansan October 21, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
Hello All,

Here is my entry for Changing Season

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8415659@N04/4032211255/in/set-72157621835260579/

It's still a bit early here for the full on change of colors, but luckily we got a few nights of frost.

Jesper
Copenhagen, Denmark
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by October 22, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
Here is my entry for the change of season, along with a couple of additional images. In my home town we had a thorough and deep freeze (5°F) two weeks ago that turned everything brown, just as things were beginning to show color.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/4034361911_f3ddb37826_o.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2750/4035079742_488a60ba30_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4035141946_2c7d288d48_o.jpg

All the images were edited in Lightroom 3 beta, and uploaded via the new Flickr eaport module.

Lightroom 3 Beta was released in the last 24 hours.

Mike Roberts
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by lee_adc October 23, 2009 7:50 AM PDT
Love the background colour, very autumnal. Lee
by Trigger_Happy_Ind October 22, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
Hi Guys

Here is my submission for change

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38413087@N02/4035182914/sizes/l/

Karthik
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by KennyL2009 October 23, 2009 5:15 AM PDT
Here is my "Change of Seasons" submission. Taken 10/22/09 at our local park in Middletown NJ. This is an HDR image, blended with one of the original RAW images (the middle one with ZERO ev adjustment). I always get dark banding in the sky in my HDRs. I wish someone could pass along a tip for getting rid of 'em (or better yet, not having 'em show up in the first place)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2696/4037183792_e826b09a08_b.jpg

Kenny in NJ
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by lee_adc October 23, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
Kenny,

I sometimes find colour banding in graduated colours in some of my macro shots. It tends to appear if I export a JPEG from a RAW file. My 'work around' is to export a TIFF from Photoshop Camera Raw and then open in Photoshop and save a copy as a JPEG.

Lee.
by ITKingeek October 25, 2009 3:28 AM PDT
Here is my entry for Autumn

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2549/4019689200_38eca22c84_b.jpg
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by twenty_two October 25, 2009 11:20 PM PDT
My "Change of season" entry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11061372@N07/4045911156/

I really wanted to emphasize the "change" part of the contest. I believe it is a Japanese maple.
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by twenty_two October 25, 2009 11:20 PM PDT
Forgot to attach my name.

-ChewDawg (Kevin)
by jcdberkeley October 26, 2009 1:37 AM PDT
You touched a bit on film scanning in the last podcast, and that got me thinking of my own "analog" photo collection. I have a bunch of (maybe a few dozen) film rolls from my old APS/Advantix point & shoot, and as this week I'm in the process of moving, I am acutely aware of the heft and bulk of having hundreds of printed photos. What I'd like is to digitize them.
I already have a bunch of these on PhotoCD, having ordered the original prints with this then-novel feature, but I'm realizing that these photo CD image files are only about 1 megapixel in resolution.
My question is, would I be better off to re-scan the old prints with my own Canon LiDE 90 scanner, or to send the original negative cartridges away to a professional lab? Scanning prints myself would be cheap, but time-consuming, whereas sending negatives away would be expensive, but take virtually no time, and perhaps have a higher quality scan. What I don't know is, will I be assured to get a better image from a freshly-scanned negative, or would scanning old prints myself probably look about as good? I would just buy an APS film scanner, but... well, they're pretty much impossible to find, since no one uses APS film anymore. Given the scarcity of labs that can even process APS film anymore, I'm thinking I should probably archive these photos sooner rather than later; I just can't decide how to do so. My next problem would be finding a website or local lab that can scan these negatives, and I don't know where to start looking for a good-quality lab for that..
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by super6s October 26, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
Here is my fall/change of colors photo:

Submission:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/IMG_3522tu-small.jpg

I wanted something with the change of the leaves, but also a change in people's behavior. Around here, the bikes (hogs, sleds, harleys) come out in force. While the fall color & the bikes are beautiful... not all of the riders are. Luckily I didn't get beat up being this close to someone's baby... & believe me, I got closer that I should have.

I didn't go with this second choice because some (uninformed) may not realize that it is part of a Harley. I almost like it better than the submission, though.

Second choice:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/IMG_3525tu2.jpg

The third possibility included the implied drive to see the colors. I like it a lot, but it was a little too traditional... too like other submissions. It was a very overcast day & took quite a bit of manipulation to look like this (maybe a little too much for my taste).

non-bike consideration:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/super6s/cnet/IMG_3445tu2.jpg

Markitect
p.s.
no buildings this time.
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by graceraven October 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT
Change of Seasons entry was taken in the parking lot behind several restaurants and an auto repair shop.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30978872@N03/4047924845/

Thanks for the podcast,
grace
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