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January 12, 2009 11:01 AM PST

Where's the 64GB iPod Touch?

by David Carnoy

More memory, please: Waiting for the iPhone to go to 32GB and the Touch to hit 64GB.

(Credit: Apple)

OK, now that CES and Macworld are behind us, it's time to take a moment to ponder just what was missing. For me anyway the biggest letdown was the absence of any word on a higher-capacity iPod Touch. As a non-iPhone guy with a slight bit of iPhone envy, I've had my eye on the 2G Touch for the last three months. But like a lot of people, I've been waiting either for the price of the 32GB version to come down or to pay not much more for a 64GB model, which has been making the rounds in the rumor mill and message boards for months.

Previously, I wrote a column about why it was the wrong time to buy an iPod. So, in a sense, you could call this column, "Why it's almost the right time to buy an iPod...or at least an iPod Touch." I just think the Touch needs one more rev to be a near-ideal device. (Even if Apple doesn't want to sell my products in its App Store, I still have no problem recommending its products to readers.) Of course, a 128GB model would be perfect, but I could live with a 64GB version (or cheaper 32GB model). That would enable you to store a decent-size music collection, a good amount of video, and lots of apps--and maybe even leave you with a little room to grow.

Sure, this would be a moot point if Apple had given us a micro-SD card slot, but Apple isn't big on the whole memory-expansion concept. Nor does it seem too keen on removable batteries (or stereo Bluetooth, for that matter). While I still find that irritating, at this point the positives appear to comfortably outweigh the negatives. But now I'm looking to maximize my purchase, knowing this precious $400 device might only hold out for 2-3 years if I don't happen to lose it, damage it, or have it stolen.

I've had pretty good luck with my iPods (for the record, last year I bought a refurbished Nano 4GB for $100). But there's been plenty of copy written about iPods failing right after warranties expire and assorted other iPod disasters. I do think it helps to go with flash memory--which is what's in the iPhone and Touch and has no moving parts--rather than a hard drive. But, of course, the highest-capacity flash-memory chips, at least initially, tend to be rather pricey.

Which brings us to the questions: so when the heck is the 64GB version coming out and how much will it cost? Well, the prices for flash memory have been dropping precipitously. Once new, smaller, 34 nanometer 32GB chips (just arriving now) start being produced in volume, we should see not only a 64GB Touch but a 32GB iPhone. And if the past is anything to go by, Apple last increased the capacities of its iPod Touch line on February 5, 2008, a Tuesday. So you could look to Tuesday, February 3 or Tuesday, February 10 (Apple tends to make its announcements on Tuesdays) as possible release days.

As for the price for the 64GB Touch, you'd hope Apple would stick to its "twice the memory for the same price" tradition; in other words, $399 would buy 64GB (rather than 32), $299 would yield 32GB, and $229 would buy you 16 gigs. Hoping for a recession discount? Even in this economy, don't expect Apple to cut prices on its premium iPod model. At least not yet.

As for the rumored addition of GPS capabilities for the Touch, I'm less confident about those arriving in the near term than a memory bump for both the Touch and iPhone. That said, some folks are speculating that Apple will create a new premium Touch (perhaps the Touch Pro?) that adds GPS and higher-memory capacity at the same time. However, I wouldn't expect that sort of change until later this year, possibly when the company refreshes the line in September.

What do you guys think? Anybody else holding out for a 64GB Touch? A 32GB iPhone? And what do you think they'll cost?

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by pkscout January 12, 2009 1:45 PM PST
I'm in the same boat. My music collection just peaked 16GB, and a 32GB iPhone would really be of interest to me, probably even worth the $70 a month AT&T charges for service. And a 64GB iPod Touch would be hard to pass up too. If only I could tether an iPod Touch to my current phone for the few times I need non-WiFi internet access.
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by zupcsics January 12, 2009 2:48 PM PST
Definitely - a higher capactiy version Touch is a must for me. Or a version with an SD card slot ... (For what my/customer desires are worth - I understand why Apple would go slow on this - it's maximizing revenue from both current and next versions.)
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by LunaticSX January 12, 2009 3:00 PM PST
With an existing 32 GB iPod Touch model, there's no technical reason to wait for "new, smaller, 34 nanometer 32GB chips (just arriving now)" for a 32 GB iPhone. It's just marketing differentiation which forces Apple to wait until they can offer a reasonably priced iPod Touch at double the capacity of the top end iPhone.

BTW, GPS in an iPod Touch would be only marginally useful, since the iPod Touch requires WiFi to get on the Internet. It's not like you're going to be able to really use the GPS in an iPod Touch while you don't have a net connection, unless there's an app that lets you download a bunch of maps to it so you can use it like a standalone GPS unit. In range of WiFi the iPod Touch could make more use of a GPS chip, but then there's already the existing built-in Skyhook-based location services that work with WiFi base stations, so the GPS chip will just be adding accuracy (unless you have to go far enough indoors to get that WiFi that the GPS chip can't get a signal...).

P.S. I think you meant "moot point" when you wrote "mute point," as in "the point is moot."
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by VeggieDelux January 13, 2009 6:06 PM PST
I would use a Touch as a standalone GPS! I already have a Garmin for hiking and geocaching, and developers could come out with downloadable maps for a small fee. There are thousands of Geochachers out there that would use one! The software that is built into standalone GPS units is all poor from what I have seen! Just imagine what you could get from the app store!
by David Turner January 17, 2009 5:36 AM PST
@ VeggieDelux: Apple doesn't let downloadable maps for the GPS device at the moment.

Tom Tom has had an app ready to go for months now but is not allowed to release it due to Apple's restrictions. If they was to lift this then yes I am sure there would be a flood of maps and mapping software available but till Apple comes to the party don't count on it.
by CBraun53 January 17, 2009 9:51 PM PST
The 32gb Touch has two 16gb chips, which wouldn't fit in the iPhone due to the gps chip that is in the iPhone.
by dcarnoy January 12, 2009 3:27 PM PST
Corrected: Mute--->moot

Thanks.
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by bleinfuss January 13, 2009 4:52 AM PST
@LunaticSX... If Apple allows it, the Touch can be used in tandem with a GPS receiver. This would allow the Touch to act as a interface only and allow the receiver to handle the communications.
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by steel36 January 13, 2009 5:40 AM PST
I think a lot of folks who consider the Touch are just like me: someone who wants an iPhone something terribly, but requires good service more, (which At&t doesn't provide around here). So, I'll get close to purchasing the Touch, but my brain kicks in and rejects the 32gb upper limit as less than my current ipod 60gb, and my sense of simplicity rejects carrying around 2 devices, a phone and ipod touch. And the process repeats itself. I use to think the iPhone would hit Verizon sooner or later and I'd buy and Apple would cash in. But now that Android and the Palm OS are out there and building up developer steam, I think Apple's entry won't be so important soon.
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by etandrib January 13, 2009 6:36 AM PST
Don't count on new iPods in January or February. I'd say March at the earliest. They will probably combine the release with a music event celebrating a DRM-less iTunes Music store and refreshed AppleTV and Movie news.

Mac hardware (iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro) will be the major announcements at the beginning of February. I don't have sources other than common sense. Not rumors, just sense.
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by fuzzybomber1 January 13, 2009 7:05 AM PST
Personally I already see a 60, 120, 250GB Ipod touch that is not made by apple. The product is the archos 5. it has all the same features with a touch screen sexiness and internet that I personally think is better than the touch. It also has about the same battery life. For the battery life do not go by what it says on the review I own one and get 24 hours of continuous music and 9 hours of video. overall it has more memory more power for audio quality. This is my ipod touch and I am enjoying it every day.
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by random truth January 17, 2009 9:18 AM PST
no, frankly the archos 5 and ipod touch are completely different players and uncomparable. The ipod touch is one of the players that tries to do everything ok. The archos 5 does a few things very good. You seem to be missing alot of the features of the ipod touch if you think they have the same features. Along with the difference between solid state and hard drive based. In addition the battery life and size of the players. Now dont get me wrong the archos 5 is a great mp3 player. Its just not comparable to an ipod touch as they are for different types of people.
by bikeseth11 January 17, 2009 3:38 PM PST
I agree. The Archos player is not a direct competitor to the iPod Touch. While they do have many similar capabilities, the differences in size and weight are considerable. Further, the Archos 5 uses (unfortunately) a hard drive instead of solid state memory. While that does give the advantage to the Archos 5 in terms of storage capacity, I have had too many problems with hard drive based MP3 players to consider buying one again. For those of you who like numbers and tables like I do, this chart may be informative. The data entries are self explanatory and taken from the Archos and Apple product websites. The first value under the data is (Archos/Apple) while the second value is (Apple/Archos). The math really does bring the size and weight differences into focus.

Volume (cm^3) Mass (g) Storage (GB) Price ($)
Archos 5 128.78 250.00 60 350
iPod Touch 57.78 115.00 32 400
2.23 2.17 1.88 0.88
0.45 0.46 0.53 1.14
by gdavidgates January 13, 2009 7:06 AM PST
I just ordered a Zune 120 after waiting a few months for a higher capacity Touch. Sound quality and capacity outweighed the bells and whistles for me.
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by abundantsnotbob January 13, 2009 5:13 PM PST
Good choice. The Zune 120 is the best hard drive player(The iPod touch might be the best SSD though). I also found it a bit disappointing when I found out that the 120 doesn't come with premium headphones, but they do come with multi colored covers for the headphones, and if they are the ones from the 1st gen Zune, they are still better than iPod headphones. Also Zune actually has better sound quality than any ipod! I have a Zune 30, and an 8GB ipod touch. I was holding out because I wanted a higher capacity and a lower price, but I bought one anyways. I really like the SDK for the ipod touch, because I can play games and use it for many useful things.
by David Turner January 17, 2009 5:40 AM PST
@abundantsnotbob:

You do know an SDK is the system development kit? This is the tools developers use to develop apps for a given platform it has nothing to do with playing games, building games yes, playing them no. Unless you are making games that is? In which case more power to you.
by sanjayb January 13, 2009 10:31 AM PST
I would be more excited if the next Touch version got play HD video's. I subscribe to a lot of podcasts (many from CNET) that are now in HD. It would be nice if I could view these podcasts on the Touch.
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by Notoapplefanbois January 17, 2009 9:58 AM PST
You'd be lucky if you got hd on that size screen, the smallest screen which uses SD is 3.8" and 720p is more than double the pixel's and full hd is triple and the smallest screen i've seen encorporating it is 14", you might get it on the big screen one which is rumoured to come out iff you're lucky however.
by darkcobra January 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST
Well as the author of this article stated (Apple won't deliver this) but I think adding an SD card capability is ultimately the best memory management way to go. I also think for these kind of prices (nearly 400 dollars) a removable battery is becoming a reasonable request and desirable feature for a lot of people. The apple forums are filled with power management issues. So allow for a second removable battery.
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by Firehazel January 21, 2009 6:27 PM PST
excellent ideas, but Apple wouldn't love to have so many people not buy their new, better products with minute changes.
by wtxdav January 13, 2009 11:27 AM PST
Like most of the tech world, I was and still am impressed with the iPhone and iTouch. However, I have waited purposely on Apple to perfect and upgrade their current models. The 8GB and 16GB models of the iPhone are lacking in my opinion and I agree that with the cost of flash memory getting in cheaper that it will be just a matter of time before Apple introduces a updated, more competitive generation of both the iPhone and iTouch. With the advent of so many applications, a music and photo library, etc., the small memory just is not appealing to me. I am betting that the deal with Walmart to retail their 8 GB model is geared to inventory reduction. I am sure I am not the only one ... "I WILL WAIT". Common on Apple, WOW us!
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by funyun2 January 13, 2009 1:44 PM PST
I was gonna get the 32gb ipod touch, but then I decided not to at the last minute because a) I have a 25GB+ music collection and b) because it was too expensive. But a 64gb ipod touch would be more storage than my current ipod video, and
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by wpriley January 13, 2009 3:58 PM PST
How about a hard disc version of the touch holding 250GBs or more. I'm currently using a 160GB iPod Classic that's essentially full with about 49,000 128KB MP3 tracks. My music collection consists of approximately 65,000 tracks and continues to grow. I would not mind a larger, heavier iPod if it could hold my entire collection. I'd prefer the Touch's interface but would be fine with the older Classic interface as capacity is more important to me than "cool". Others who are focused on video would likely appreciate a 250GB or larger iPod as well.
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by pabe fly January 13, 2009 5:31 PM PST
i would love a 64 gig ipod touch. but what the ipod is really missing and needs is wireless syncing. like the zune. that would make the itouch the best mp3 player
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by nandonyc January 13, 2009 5:55 PM PST
ONLY thing I want is an Iphone with at least 64gig, bluetooth 3G QUAD BAND wi-fi SIMULTANIOUS DUAL SIM...........charge me whatever....I will buy it....otherwise no interest...and drop the mandatory internet subscription with the carrier (att), that is like paying a second cable internet bill every month.....I would assume those with full time jobs, don't really need it!!!
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by wiisixty January 13, 2009 6:28 PM PST
Fm radio and blutooth stereo that's all I ask for and my touch willl be perfect but I heard the rumor that they are both already in inside and apple is just lazy.
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by NCTARHEELS January 13, 2009 8:22 PM PST
a 64GB iPod Touch would be fantastic.

Unfortunately, people seem to fail to differentiate their wishes with real reports
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by ktreb January 13, 2009 8:32 PM PST
While I'm no expert, I wouldn't expect to see a 64GB Touch until Creative or SanDisk come out with or at least announce the same size capacities for their players. Then Apple will surely follow. The Creative Zen came out in 32GB in Dec of 2007 and SanDisk announced their 32GB Sansa View in early January of 2008. Then Apple followed with the 32GB Touch. Of course, Apple could surprise me and be out of the gate first.
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by DarkHawke January 13, 2009 9:11 PM PST
Interesting point! I'm hoping for the same one-upsmanship via a vis the iPhone in the light of the Palm Pre and new Android phones to come this year. I'm also wondering if they're waiting on the finalization of the new Bluetooth standard to FINALLY offer stereo Bluetooth support. Feels like the sort of thing that Apple would do.
by DarkHawke January 13, 2009 9:18 PM PST
I'm with ya, Dave, in wanting greater memory capacity in mobile Apple devices, but as someone who wants/needs all-the-time internet access, I'm looking towards the iPhone instead of the "iTouch." With a music collection at over 21 GB, 32 GB storage is a must, and might even be light depending on how much video or apps I might indulge in. I also wish that they'd get up to snuff with other lacking qualities of the beast, like stereo Bluetooth support, cut 'n paste, a better (>= 3 megapixel) camera that can take video. These are areas it's behind the competition and needs to improve now that the Pre is in our near future and more Android phones are preparing to launch. Hell, the Pre looks so good, if they'd just quadruple the anemic 8 GB of memory, I'd get in line for it today!
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Executive Editor David Carnoy has been covering electronics for CNET since 2000, arriving at the company just as "that whole Internet bust thing" happened. Early on, he launched CNET's cell phone coverage, earning him the nickname "Wireless Dave," then moved on to bigger and broader things. Hunkered down in New York City, he oversees CNET's Home and Hardware reviews, which includes all things related to home theater, PC, and digital imaging. Fully Equipped covers the gamut of gadgets and gizmos and, to keep things lively, Carnoy likes to alternate between writing useful, advice-oriented pieces or thought-provoking columns with inflammatory headlines designed to elicit commentary from readers. Fully Equipped is the longest continuously running column on CNET.com.

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