Why Sony should add Netflix to the PS3 now
Netflix's consumer survey has brought hope to PS3 owners with Netflix subscriptions.
(Credit: Engadget)In recent days, rumors have been percolating about the PlayStation 3 getting Netflix streaming video support. Most of the rumors revolve around a survey that Netflix has out gauging user interest in adding its service to Sony's game console for a fee. No one seems to know whether Netflix or Sony commissioned the survey, but either way, it's certainly raised hopes with PS3 owners that they would get something that Xbox 360 owners have had for a while. (For what it's worth, nearly identical rumors of Netflix on the Wii have also been making the rounds.)
Interestingly, as the rumors make their way around the blogosphere, Sony's been trying to promote how robust its Playstation Network Service (PSN) is and how great a media extender the PS3 is. A few weeks ago, a few of us from CNET spent some time visiting with Sony PR and marketing reps in a hotel suite going over what PSN had to offer, including Home, Sony's online virtual community that's hit 5 million registered users. And just yesterday, I got a voice mail from a PR rep encouraging me to do a story on what a great media extender the PS3 is.
I said I'd do a story--but only in context of the Netflix rumors.
"Why doesn't Sony just add Netflix?" I asked.
Of course, I knew it wasn't as simple as that. Sony's been diligently building out its own video service on PSN--and doing a pretty good job of it. As the PR rep pointed out, you can now download 1,500 movies and 5,200 TV episodes from all the major studios. The only problem is that if you're a Netflix subscriber, there's little incentive to use it. (On the PS3, you can buy or rent movies and shows, with prices ranging from $1.99 to $5.99 for rentals, depending on release date or whether you're downloading standard-definition or HD versions).
I get the whole promotion of the video store. However, what struck me as a little odd is how Sony's also pushing "free" elements of the PS3 at the same time--most notably, the fact that you can use the PS3 as a media extender (it's a good one, arguably superior to the Xbox 360) to pull content off your computer in another room and stream it to a PS3 connected to a TV somewhere else in your house. Sony doesn't care where you got that content; it just wants you to know that the PS3 works well as an extender. It also wants you to know that you can use the PS3's browser to go to sites like Hulu.com, YouTube, and TV.com, which happens to be owned by CNET's parent company, CBS, and watch all the free streaming video you want.
The PR rep suggested that once you toss in the PS3's built-in Blu-ray player, you've got a do-it-all box that can potentially allow you to drop your cable or satellite provider and save real dough.
OK, I said, but you're still missing one thing.
"Some new Blu-ray players have Netflix streaming support," I said, referring to Samsung and LG, which both have Blu-ray players that do Netflix. "Why not just add it to the PS3?"
Again, it's not that simple, but I figured if I kept asking the question I might get an answer.
"Sony does not comment on rumors," the rep said.
Fine, I said. And I expressed that I totally understood that the situation on the PS3 was different from that of the Xbox 360. The fact is Microsoft doesn't exactly give away Netflix streaming support. You have to own an Xbox Live Gold subscription, which costs up to $50 a year, to access the Netflix Xbox 360 application. Sony doesn't have a tiered online subscription system; it's all free. So the whole concept of a $9.99 Instant Streaming Disc (or download) seems like a perfect solution (by comparison, the Roku Netflix box costs $100, so $10 would be a bargain).
The rep emailed me back.
"David, as I said, we do not comment on rumors or speculation. That said, I do have an approved quote about PSN that you can use in your story."
The quote was from Patrick Seybold, Director of Corporate Communications, SCEA. Here's what Mr. Seybold had to say:
"While we are always looking for ways to enhance our video entertainment through PlayStation 3, we are currently focusing on expanding video downloading through PlayStation Store, Blu-ray movie playback and streaming video through PS3's built-in Internet browser. Our video delivery service is a great example of how we are providing current and relevant movies and TV shows through new partners like MTV, Comedy Central, Spike TV, NBC, Universal Pictures, Nickelodeon and VH1."
Read into it what you will. I think Sony support for Netflix video streaming is coming. I just wish it was now.
As always, feel free to add your own two cents. How much would you be willing to pay for Netflix streaming support? And are you ready to drop your cable or satellite provider if it's added?
Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.

My 360 works every time with one button. I gave up on the PS3 as a media extender.
By the way, it's just as much of a chore to hook the PSP up to it to play the new Resistance game.. You have been in love with the PS3 since it came out, I have had it since day one, and am not that thrilled.
plus, can you do hulu on your x360? ps3 browser can :P
All joking aside, I have already been watching my Netflix "Watch Instantly" movies on my PS3 and all my other media. Though I would enjoy a more native feel (and true HD), but I am a happy camper already.
i love my 360 and it does everything i want it to do
y dont these people just buy a 360???
theres nothing wrong with having BOTH consoles
what's ur method for "watching Netflix "Watch Instantly" movies on [a] PS3"? a link to an informative website or program would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.
http://www.themediamall.com/playon
@happyslappy13 - Some of us do own more than one console, why buy an Xbox360 when I have a Vista box already? :)
In addition, adding Netflix streaming capabilities would be a great idea! Sony assumes that adding it will detract business from their media library as it is, well in most cases I think that's just a moot point. I have netflix, I pay $20 for it, why I am going to spend MORE money renting movies off PSN? I don't do it with my iTunes account and I won't waste the money and rent from PSN either.
Also, why did Sony decide to allow Amazon VOD using the Bravia Internet Video Link (which few have or want) intead of the PS3? Seems phenomenally misguided.
Sony is seriously limiting the usefulness of the PS3, and this affects PS3 sales (no PS3 here yet) as well Blu-ray adoption.
Sony could score a major victory here and one up the crappy 360 implementation. (for the 360 fans, been there done that, nobody in the house uses it, we use a computer instead. It works better).
Silverlight- that's a different story. I doubt M$ will play fair.
So if Netflix do come to PS3 and offers HD quality I will be really excited.
Netflix itself has a say.
And they have strong ties to MS right now; they use their tech, their CEO sits on the MS Board of directors...
Odds are, there are contractual issues in the partnership, cause MS is actively promoting Netflix for XBOX constantly and Netflix sponsors many of the 360 inhouse videos.
This may be another case where 360 gets the exclusive on an at-least timed basis; I doubt Netflix on PS3 will happen any time before November (and the first anniversary of Netflix on 360).
If at all.
Exactly, I have both consoles and PlayOn is WAY BETTER than using the 360 for netflix. Not only do you get Netflix, but Hulu, CBS, Amazon VOD, ESPN, CNN, and still growing. Plus I can set it to not play the craptastic netflix super low bitrate. Or say I want faster load times, and set it to the Med instead of high Quality Stream. Xbox 360 doesn't let you do anything. You sit there then the movies stops for 40 Sec. then it tells you I'll adjust this for you, and comes back with some super blurry under water unwatchable crap.
Except you have to stream it from your computer to the PS3. May as well just plug your computer into your TV and forget it."
Yeah except my computer doesn't look so hot hooked up to a 4:3 CRT 480i TV via S-Video
Not to mention maybe the TV with the PS3 is the family TV and maybe sometimes you want to use your computer when others are watching TV.
-----letsgoblues2
Never owned an Xbox, never will.
Most people want the simplicity of streaming directly. Why pay $40 for PlayOn and still have use a computer to stream to the PS3? Just skip the PS3 altogether by using the computer or Roku box.
40 bucks to get what I'm already paying for? "
$40 ONE time. vs $50 a year for XBL Gold. Hmmmm. Want to use a Roku box, shell out $100.
Physical media is NOT dying. Many people can't get broadband internet. Many that do can only get very low speeds not good for streaming and downloading takes forever. Many that can get very high speeds don't because it's too expensive. Of course now ISPs have caps. For example Charter's 10 Mbps tier only has 100 GB cap. An "HD" stream or download is in the 6 GB range. How may of those can you do and still have enough cap to do everything else.
Considering ISPs have ZERO interest bringing broadband to people that don't currently have it and they seem to want to REDUCE the amount of useage of current customers I see physical media having a HUGE advantage. I can go rent a blu-ray at Movie Gallery and bring it to my friends house and watch it. Since he doesn't have internet access he can't download or stream it. physical media 1 streaming/downloading 0
Even better than Netflix would be allowing the PS3 to stream Amazon content (over 40,000 titles and no subscription!). But Sony seems to be playing its usual games since they allow you to use its expensive (and problematic) Bravia Internet Video attachment only.
Those problems are an issue with all digital download sales. Except maybe some music. It's not specific to Sony or anyone else. In other words it's no a reason to hate the PS3. Now if the only way to do content on a PS3 was that way I'd be right with you.
As for the Sony Store, downloads are incredibly expensive, imo. For example, the four volume set of Monty Python's Flying Circus would cost $90 to rent all episodes! You can buy the complete mega-set for LESS, and own it on disc forever!
The bluray drive is always going to be the perfect selling point....you get it for the Bluray movies but it also is leading the way for gaming in allowing that extra capacity for developers to give you the best graphics quality and surround sound gaming possible for years to come...you can't get that with the 360...and if anyone argues that the 360's dvd is better for gaming then the PS3's bluray drive for the next 5-7 years...you're crazy
They are finally starting to get some games worth buying...
I bought my Xbox for Games !!!!
Which Ps3 has been lacking.
Netflix is a added bonus
Anyone who is that interested in putting Linux on the PS3 will have no problem doing so (it's rather easy IMO) and if all you're looking for is a console with an internet browser and the ability to have an OS on it...than just stick with a computer...no gaming console would be good for you then....especially since you have no ability to do that on the 360 or Wii
The BR and gaming features by themselves send many people looking at competing consoles/players.
Its unnecessary limitations make its other features next to useless. They haven't unlocked the processing power for use with Linux. It isn't compatible with any major download/streaming sites (except Sony's). For almost nothing, Sony could unleash this system's capabilities, marketing it as a basic computer system with great browsing and access to online content. It would make the PS3 an obvious bargain, and give a boost BR in the process.
lets say you have a netflix account and an xbox 360 or a ps3.
Xbox 360: You can rent dvd's as well as stream them for extra $50 per year(gold live).
PS3: You can add an extra $1 per month to get bluray's as well as dvd's with netflix, and you can enjoy surround sound and HD at 1080.
...so get over it...bluray is here to stay...if you're happy with the crappy compression that you get with xbox360 dvd discs and xbox 360 netflix....you're not part of the equation anyway
I hope (I really do) that Sony doesn?t take MS business practices as a guide for future counsel. I would hate if Sony starts releasing low quality core unit just to make a quick dollar. If that does happen count me a full time PC gamer.
A $100 price drop would result in another billion dollar loss for Sony. I think their customers are better served if they use some of that billion to improve Home and communication options in PSN, develop more, better games and keep adding firmware improvements the way they have been.
Besides, I think it's a bit of a myth that Sony is far behind the 360. How many of those 360s are actually in working condition? Resident Evil 5 sold more copies on the PS3 than on the 360, in spite of Killzone 2 coming out at the same time! And PS3 exclusive games have graphics like nothing on the 360. It's only a matter of time.
Without a price drop... you have a slow death...
A price drop would get more people to buy... and increase games sales ( were the money is made)
Yes they would lose more money upfront.
I have a 360 and a PS3. The 360 when upgraded to what I needed (in other words matching what the PS3 did out of the box) cost me more. The PS3 is the best bang for the buck if you do need to ugprade the 360 to get it working right for your use.. If you don't, the 360 is the better deal. It's simple math based on what you need the console to do.
Starting with the 360, if you have a Netflix account than setting up the streaming function is a no-brainer. On the other hand, becoming a member mostly so you can take advantage of the streaming may leave you a bit disappointed. The quality ranges from downright awful to slightly above DVD quality. So far, the sound is still being output in Stereo (not 5.1) so if you're into having the best possible sound/video you're definitely better off sticking with DVD (or bluray if you have it.)
Sometimes you're not that concerned with the overall quality. Netflix has a ton of hit shows and, after recently ditching cable, I thought I'd miss the TBS office marathon. Not with Netflix. I can watch any episode I want. Since shows like that don't exactly demand the same type of setup as say... a moviie like the Dark Knight, the limitations aren't really that much of a factor. Simply put, Netflix streaming truly shines when your primary concern isn't to achieve the best overall video/sound presentation. Once they improve their system, this could change for the better. For now... it's a nice alternative to DVD/bluray but by no means a replacement.
As for whether or not the PS3 needs it... As some have mentioned, there's a service called 'PlayOn' that gives you Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc capability. I have it and am pretty impressed overall. The interface leaves a lot to be desired however. The ease of finding things on a computer vs PlayOn (on either the 360 or PS3) is VAST! To say the interface is clumsy and ill-conceived would be an understatement. You get used to it and learn ways around it... but it definitely needs work. As a quick example.... You cannot search YouTube through PlayOn. If the content you're looking for isn't in one of the preset categories they created, the other other way to get the content is to add the particular user (who uploaded it) to your list of users on your PC. My kids love baby einstein so I had to do this for them... Somewhat tedious but, again, you figure it out.
The last thing I'll say is this. Yes, the PS3 is a phenomenal machine that has the potential to be around for a very long time. The blu-ray, in addition to offering the best movie watching experience, does give game developers a ton of storage to develop games. Whether that translates into better games is debatable. More is not always better. To my knowledge, MGS4 was and is the only game to fully take advantage of the blu-ray. While impressive, that game bored me to tears. Give me a tiny (in comparrison) racing or sports game on a DVD-rom over that any day! But I digress... The PS3 certainly has the potential. But so what? By the time the PS3 hits its stride (if it ever does) a new Xbox will undoubtedly hit the market. Being 2nd in the last gen wars wasn't nearly as big of a detriment as it is now. The reason has to do with online content. Comparing the 360's overall online experience to the PS3 is like comparing a Mustang to a Smartcar. Sony's ace in the hole is the Home Network... but so far, that doesent' exactly seem to be taking off. And unfortuneatly for Sony, it will only be as good as the people that get involved with it.
...we're not even a full 3 months into the year and the PS3 has had Killzone 2, we look forward to about 4-5 AAA games....and you stack on top of that the fact that John Carmack....the mastermind over at id Software is flat out saying that the choice for MS to stick with DVD media for their games is really frustrating for him. Their new IP RAGE may end up being 3-4 discs in order to keep the quality the same as the PS3 bluray version.
Ultimately, if you are a true gamer...the PS3 is for you...if you're a true HD enthusiast, the PS3 is for you....if you're a casual gamer and not interested in a Home Theater...then maybe the 360 or Wii is for you.
BTW...Sony's "ace in the hole" is not HOME specifically....it's the fact that their total online service is FREE.
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by sting7k
March 27, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
- There is only one thing the PS3 needs and Netflix isn't it. It needs to be $300. End of story.
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by Sryche22
March 27, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
- And why should the PS3 be the same price as the 360?
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