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May 4, 2009 2:34 AM PDT

Amazon to introduce larger Kindle this week?

by David Carnoy

Plastic Logic has be showing off a larger form factor e-reader--but Amazon may get to market first.

(Credit: Plastic Logic)

Rumors have been circulating for a while that Amazon has a larger form factor Kindle in the works--and we may get a first look at it as soon as this week, according to sources who spoke with The New York Times.

Initially, a lot of the chatter around a new jumbo Kindle was focused on the textbook market. But in recent months, as more newspapers and magazines have become threatened with extinction, these larger e-readers--which also include models from Plastic Logic and News Corp.--have increasingly been pitched as digital saviors for old-media companies looking for what the Times calls "electronic life preservers."

The Times didn't specifically refer to itself as one of the companies requiring such a preserver, but it is expected to be featured in the introduction of the new Amazon device along with other major newspapers and magazines that are already available on the Kindle e-readers for a monthly fee.

Clearly, it's that ability to charge a fee and the potential cost savings of a paperless platform that makes digital readers so attractive to newspapers and magazines. As the Times and other have pointed out, publishers could "save millions on the cost of printing and distributing their publications, at precisely a time when their businesses are under historic levels of pressure."

But there are some inherent problems with shifting paper readers over to e-readers. First, some people just like paper. It's light, disposable, and you don't have to worry about spilling your coffee on it and destroying it. Second, this Kindle is likely to be just as expensive as the Kindle 2, and probably more expensive--unless Amazon and its publishing partners have plans in place to subsidize the device (i.e., pay for a two-year subscription, get a discount on the e-reader). And finally, it's hard to compete with free online versions of the same publications that are quite readable on devices like the iPhone (and would be even more readable on the alleged media pad Apple may be prepping).

Personally, I like the idea of reading a paper on a jumbo Kindle or Paper Logic e-reader--but I don't really want to have to carry it around with me, even if it's thin and relatively lightweight. And I don't want to pay $13.99 a month for a Kindle New York Times subscription (half that, maybe). However, I can see how this type of device would be very appealing to college students, who could carry around all their textbooks (and regular books for that matter) on one device.

In other words, a larger form factor Kindle may sound good on paper, but it may not be as viable as some old-media companies might hope. Yes, it's a potential lifeboat, but if Apple comes along with a tablet-style device that does more--and doesn't cost all that much more--it could sink.

What do you guys think? How much would you pay for a larger e-reader and digital subscriptions to your favorite papers? And will Apple blow away a jumbo monochrome Kindle out of the water with a new media pad that has color and a real Internet browser?

*Update: Just got an invitation from a Amazon for a press conference on May 6 at 10:30 a.m. at Pace University in Manhattan. I assume the press conference is for the new Kindle.

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by npro May 4, 2009 3:05 AM PDT
I have no problem paying under $4/week for a newspaper such as the NYT. I'd be willing to pay $40 with a two year subscription to the NYT. Now, I'd pay a lot less for the Boston Globe which is struggling in terms of its content/editorials.
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by ibeetle May 4, 2009 5:58 AM PDT
The problem with the Kindle version of the NYT is it is only updated once a day. With Calibre one can download the updates to there Sony eBook reader every update... for free.
Why pay when one can get the same information to their cell phone, and/or non Kindle device for free?
by ofmyony May 4, 2009 3:37 AM PDT
99 dollars for a reader and 5.99 a month for any magazine or paper not just one but any of them. An all you can eat model. Say like a Netflix subscriber model. Pay every month and get any magazine or newspaper you want.
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by sticks1839 May 4, 2009 5:27 AM PDT
$6 a month seems a bit low for all you can eat, especially if daily newspapers are included (they still have to produce content each day); but I like the thought. One question: in the all you can eat model, how is the revenue split back to the magazines/newspapers? Seems like if every mag/paper got an even share, they'd each get a fraction of a penny per user. And if they each demanded a certain revenue per subscriber (the cable TV model), the big guys could demand upwards of 50 cents per subscriber and not leave room for an all you can eat model.

If you truly want a Netflix style subscriber model, I think you'd be looking at a Netflix style pricing model as well. With cheap rates, like the $6 a month; but with restrictions on the number of publications you can choose per month. An all you can eat level would probably be $20 or so just like Netflix (maybe more because of the vast number of publication choices).
by geowmiller May 4, 2009 5:35 AM PDT
If Apple can create a decent media pad that includes an Amazon ebook reader (as exists on the iPhone), then I'd go that way and bypass the relatively limited Kindle, regardless of the Kindle's size. And, importantly, the media pad should have easily changeable batteries.
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by rapier1 May 4, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
The problem would be battery use. The kindle has an advantage in that it's screen uses a relatively low power highly readable e-paper display. Both the kindle and Sony can go for 24 to 48 hours between charges with constant use. I don't see a full color LCD based device getting more than 6 to 10 hours of use between charges.
by candide08 May 4, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
Unfortunately size does matter. iPhone may be good at many things, but for people that read a lot the size and white screen of the Kindle is strongly preferred.

The main obstruction now is price, high price for the device and very high prices for the reading material.

Let Apple come out with a dedicated reader and compete with Kindle, competition is good.
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by ibeetle May 4, 2009 6:02 AM PDT
This reminds me of the 17 inch laptop. Everybody loves the idea of a 17 in. laptop; until one has to actually carry one around.
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by tomanjeri May 4, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
Oh please. The 17" is only 1 pound heavier than the 15".
by zyxxy May 4, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
If it was up-sized just a little, to the point that it was a 'letter' sized display or 'A4', that would be cool. I have seen where people present a screen that is 8 x 10.5 as 'letter' sized given a 1/4 inch margin all the way around. You don't need a margin on a display, the body of the device is the margin. If the actual body of the device was only a little larger than actual 'letter' sized (8.5 x 11), I would still consider that to be portable. Hopefully it supports both landscape and portrait mode.
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by dtonkin May 4, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
The textbook thing seems like a good idea until you need to look at two textbooks at once. I think the whole concept is dumb personally. I like to read real books. I like to use my bb Storm to read the local newspaper articles during the week but on Sunday I still like to buy a paper. They could probably double the cost of my local Sunday paper and I'd still buy one every week, if they're strapped for cash why not do that? If they need subscribers so they can sell more ads then drop the price to make it almost impossible to say no to.
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by RMarch May 4, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
I understand where you are coming from, but in general, you are the exact reason traditional print media companies are a dying breed. You said yourself, I like to use my bb Storm to read the local newspaper articles during the week but on Sunday I still like to buy a paper." People have been slowly (or quickly depending on your perspective) moving to digital forms of reading in mass for the past few years. People can only read so much during a day. If more and more time is spent reading the internet on a computer or smart phone or Kindle, there is a little less time to buy newspapers and magazines.

Record shops, newspapers, magazines will soon bnostalgic memories whether we like it or not. There is no way to stop it at this point. Someday even printed books will go too, but I do think that is many decades away.
by goddardr May 4, 2009 6:40 AM PDT
There is another market for the Jumbo Kindle; those who could use the adjustable type size feature because of reading difficulties. A lot of older people can't read newspapers and magazines anymore due to small type size.
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by SpinozaQ May 6, 2009 7:53 AM PDT
That doesn't require a Jumbo Kindle. That's a great advantage of any e-ink reader, of any size. The ability to change font and size to something comfortable to the user is amazing. I personally one an Illiad device from http://www.irextechnologies.com . It has an 8 inch screen. They also have been selling one with a 10.4 inch screen that you can get newspaper subscriptions on for months now. So I don't really understand this whole "Amazon might beat Plastic Logic to Market" thing.. They've already both been beat to market on hardware. Amazon has the advantage of being big enough to drive content. Which is why they will win. And by win, I mean they sell us crap hardware and overpriced DRM'd content and we have no choice in the matter.
by pjhenry1216 May 4, 2009 6:45 AM PDT
An oversized iPod Touch would make a terrible ebook reader. LCD is absolutely terrible for your eyes if you use it to do reading as such. If you do any significant amount of reading on an LCD that close to you face (like with a book), you *will* damage your eyes. Its not a maybe. Plus, LCD screens will sap much more power than eInk screens.

If Apple does release this oversized Touch and people use it as eReaders, it further demonstrates how people will buy Apple not because its good, but because they're ignorant about their actual product purchases. There are a multitude of things an oversized Touch could be used for other than reading that I'd have no problem with, however, as an eReader, its such a bad idea, i'm dumbfounded by how many intelligent people even think, "hey this looks like a good idea."

It's simply an idiotic notion.
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by Peter Glaskowsky May 4, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
Why do you believe that an LCD display is worse (or different in any way) from any other kind of display?

Photons are photons, your eye doesn't care whether they're coming from an emissive or reflective display. What counts is whether the image is readable enough that your eyes don't keep hunting for focus, and that's a function of resolution and contrast ratio. Modern LCDs are plenty good enough for extended use. Indeed, they're better than E Ink displays in both respects.

Seriously, there are at least tens of millions of people who have spent several hours a day for years-- even decades-- staring at CRTs and LCDs, and there's been no huge epidemic of eye problems.

Maybe you think you're doing people a favor by repeating this stuff, but the facts just aren't on your side here.
by SpinozaQ May 6, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
@Peter
The real data of how much better e-ink is for eyes isn't available yet. That's true. It's a new technology. There is data on how bad heavy computer use is on your eyes. However, I can tell you from personal experience that it is "easier" on my eyes. I could never read an entire book comfortably on a laptop screen. I have read several on my Irex Illiad e-reader.

In addition there are other advantages to e-ink. It will likely be able to mass produced at a lower cost then equivalent sized LCD displays. It does not require power to hold an image, or to run a back light. This allows for a device to be built that is thin, small, light, and has a multiple day battery life.

It is precisely because of the power use issue that we don't have thin, small reader like devices made out of LCD screens. It only makes sense to combine large LCDs with a large device like a laptop. Or make them small like the itouch, iphone. E-ink technologies will bring about a whole new category of information delivery devices. I for one am excited. You just seem bitter.
by BosHawk May 4, 2009 7:12 AM PDT
I like the paper based Weekender subscription and free or discounted kindle subscription. Not too difficult. Thanks.
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by Dhanya_Chokunni May 4, 2009 7:14 AM PDT
Oh!!! i love this! but its only the price which shatters my idea of buying it!
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by BoolaYale May 4, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
When Joe Jacobsen first introduced e-ink technology (the screen for the Kindle) back in 1996, the large format, newspaper-by-radio was the dream and it is still featured on e-ink's website as the goal. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they did a subsidized, newpaper-subscription-related Kindle...maybe only for people who also subscribe to Amazon Prime (so, high-volume Amazon customers?)
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by rayzoredge May 4, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
Just a small point to consider:

Can you fold a Kindle in the same way you fold a newspaper or roll up a magazine?

I suppose that if you are an avid reader of the same publications, this would be a boon, but now having to worry about an electronic e-reader, the fragility of it, battery life, subscriptions, etc... it seems like too much of a hassle now. Maybe if battery life was superb and if we actually invested more into e-paper...
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by 1olive May 4, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
I'd bank on apple, whatever device they pull out of the hat. Their design and production are so far beyond all the subcontracted kludges that are out there, be it phones or mp3 players or laptops, that tyhere's no point in getting some one trick pony from one of the other guys.
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by molotov May 4, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
Just saw the Kindle 2.0 upclose on the subway this weekend. What a joke! People blasting Touch for the LCD screen while ignoring the lack of contrast on Kindle 2. The unit I looked at had Gray letters on a Gray screen. I do not know what books you have been reading, if any, but all my life I read books with black letters on white/yellowed hue type of paper. Cmon people, get real with this eInk joke. I felt bad for the person on the train, I really did. I did feel good about my bright iPod Touch though.
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by doug-jensen May 4, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
I've read dozens of full length books, and for many hours at a time, on my K2. I have absolutely no problems with the screen.
by bhartman35 May 4, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
If you were watching someone use the Kindle on the subway, rest assured: That person is a dimwit. The Kindle is *not* meant to be used in dark conditions. E-ink is designed to be like paper, with the same non-reflective properties, etc., to reduce glare. And it's *purposefully* not backlit for that reason. Backlighting ruins the paper experience.

The advantages you get with the Kindle over iPods, iPhones, Palms, etc., are:

1) Battery life. You can read a Kindle for days without charging, since it's not powering a display the entire time. (It only uses power to turn pages.)
2) The E-ink technology is [i]much[/i] more readable than a computer screen (whether it's a PC, iPod, or Palm).

Think of it this way: When you read off of an iPhone or other non-e-Ink device, you're basically staring into a light bulb (or actually, thousands of tiny ones). By comparison, an e-Ink display is more like looking at paper.

Now granted, the contrast on the screens *could* be better. It would be better if the screens were more of an off-white than gray. And the Kindle (and other similar e-readers) should include an external reading light, since you're eventually going to run into a low-light situation where you want to read. Having said that, judging the Kindle by what you saw of its use on the subway isn't a fair evaluation. It's a little bit like evaluating an iPhone based on how easy it is to run Windows 7 apps on it.
by Peter Glaskowsky May 4, 2009 7:03 PM PDT
bhartman35, the E Ink display can't be backlit; it just doesn't work that way. See, nothing changes color in the display; it works by moving the "ink" particles back and forth with electrostatic force. The little black specks that appear at the front of the display would block the light just as effectively when they're at the back of the display.
by jfZed May 4, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
Even for students, if the application is textbooks, one has to carry a mobile telephone, laptop and a jumbo Kindle?

Too many devices. What is needed is a standard agreed among publishers, a la PDF. or possibly PDF, as the format. Do not bind the service to a proprietary device; this is a step backwards in a world were universal connectivity and content compatibility are needed.

The book industry already uses PDF as an alternate distribution to paper; it works well.

Will the Kindle be adopted in volume? I doubt it. Instead, what the industry should do is define a service and accompanying content format, fort newspapers, books, marketing material, etc.,available as a fee per content unit available via conventional devices: desktop, laptop, netbook, phone, etc.
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by caifanes82 May 4, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
rather not get Kindle until it has color screen, and a better web browser. Love the idea of bigger display. Then i would buy it
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by Fletch7777 May 4, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
I love my kindle 2 I do not read enough magazines or newspapaers to warrent subscribing or buying the bigger kindle.. What I need I get online or TV news. I can read the Kindle print as easily as I read a book but I can carry multiple books where ever I go and read several at one time depending on the mood. My kindle fits in my purse and i don't think I would buy a larger one.
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by wavjockey May 4, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
If you strip away the dense hype surrounding the iPhone, you will see that it needs to EVOLVE fast.
Either into a Netbook with some actual I/O ports and horsepower or the aforementioned Media Reader.
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by molotov May 4, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
Apparently you have no clueeyeue what you are talking about..
Does your mp3 player browse web, give you email, days worth of games at a quick touch, weather, news, word processing?
by cassiew16 May 4, 2009 2:03 PM PDT
The iPod Touch is easy to read with kindle books or Stanza and fits in your pocket or purse. Unfortunately I do not think the text to speech is available on the iPod Touch. I like the features of the kindle2 but would rather have a smaller version.
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