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May 20, 2009 1:08 PM PDT

240Hz LCD TVs: What you need to know

by David Carnoy

Hz so good: The marketing of 240Hz TVs may rely heavily on test patterns.

(Credit: Akihabara News)

Every year it seems there's a new catchy spec in the HDTV realm everybody likes to talk about. A few years back it was 1080p resolution. Then we heard about 120Hz, which is supposed to reduce motion blur in fast-moving images on LCD TVs. Well, this year, the latest and greatest spec is 240Hz, which is supposed to do what 120Hz does, but better.

Not too long ago, our video guru David Katzmaier gave his initial impressions on 240Hz in a post titled "Is 240Hz worth waiting for?" When he wrote that piece, he'd just seen his first 240Hz TV in action and wasn't sold on the new technology. Now that he's reviewed four 240Hz HDTVs and has a fifth review (the LG 47LH55) in the works, he's still not sold, but he admits the verdict isn't totally clear-cut.

Part of the problem is that there's a difference between what your eye sees in everyday material you watch and objective testing done with test patterns. As Katzmaier notes in his post, "Standard LCD and plasma TVs refresh the screen 60 times per second, or 60Hz, which is plenty fast enough to eliminate flicker and create the illusion of motion from a series of still images. In fact, most sources sent to your display arrive at the nominal rate of 30 frames per second, and each frame is repeated once by the television to achieve 60 total fps."


For most people, including me and Mr. Katzmaier, it's very difficult to see the impact that "faster" LCD sets have on picture quality. We spent some time in our AV lab watching various source material from 120Hz TVs and 240Hz models and it's really hard to detect any difference (it's hard to detect any difference between 120Hz and 60Hz models, too). To be clear, I'm referring here to motion-blur reduction because of faster refresh rates, not to dejudder processing, which smooths out motion and makes film-based material shot at 24fps look more video-like. When dejudder is engaged, you can easily spot its impact on the picture. (It's also worth mentioning that the dejudder processing on the 240Hz TVs we tested so far wasn't any better--or worse--than than the dejudder on 120Hz TVs).

All that said, when it comes to motion blur, not every set of eyes and every brain is created equally and, as Katzmaier points out, "Some viewers can perceive motion blur in fast-moving objects on standard 60Hz [LCD] models (motion blur like this isn't an issue with plasma or other display types, whether 60Hz or otherwise, because they use different methods to create the illusion of motion)."

To reduce blurring, most 120Hz LCD displays use a system called MEMC (motion estimation and motion compensation) to slip in a new frame between each of the original frames. The end result is one extra frame for every true frame.

You'd think, then, that a 240Hz TV would just double up to achieve an even more blur-free picture. Alas, it's a little more complicated than that. The problem is there are actually two different types of 240Hz, including one that doesn't bill itself as true 240Hz but rather as a "240 effect." Here's a breakdown of the two versions and which companies employ them.

  • MEMC (motion estimation-motion compensation): Both Sony and Samsung 240Hz sets use MEMC to basically double the 120Hz process described above. However, instead of getting one extra frame for each "true" frame, you actually get three extra frames. (See reviews of the Sony KDL-52XBR7, the Sony KDL-XBR9 series and the Samsung LNB750 series).
  • Scanning backlight (240 effect): LG, Toshiba, and Vizio use what's called "scanning backlight" technology. Such TVs use MEMC once to get to 120Hz, but instead of doubling the interpolation, a backlight flashes on and off very quickly to achieve what Toshiba calls a "240Hz effect." LG, for its part, fails to make that distinction and uses the 240Hz term without qualification to describe its scanning-backlight models.

After having reviewed three 240Hz TVs that use MEMC and one, the Toshiba 47ZV650U, using the scanning backlight, Katzmaier reports that the MEMC version of 240Hz is slightly superior at reducing blur. But when he says that, he's referring to test patterns where models from Sony and Samsung scored slightly better than the Toshiba. MEMC displays delivered between 900 and 1,000 lines of motion resolution, which matches the result of a typical plasma, while the Toshiba scored between 800 and 900. But again, watching everyday material, whether it be from a Blu-ray movie or HDTV content from your cable or satellite provider, he and I both maintain that the difference between having a 120Hz LCD TV and a 240Hz TV is virtually imperceptible. In other words, superiority is a very relative term in this instance.

In terms of what kind of premium you'll pay for a 240Hz TV over a 120Hz model, you're currently looking at somewhere between $200 and $400, and we expect that by next year the gap will be even smaller. So, is it worth the premium?

At this point, the answer is probably no. Objectively, in lab tests, you can't dispute the fact that 240Hz does seem to reduce motion blur. But in real-world terms it doesn't amount to much, if anything. But as I always say, if you want the latest and greatest spec--and don't mind paying a little extra--go for it.

As always, feel free to comment.

Additional reading: 240Hz TVs compared

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by Someone-else May 20, 2009 1:42 PM PDT
The human eye can see at around 18Hz, so 60Hx (or even 30) would be enough for a normal person to see more than one frame at once, giving the impression of a smooth motion. So IMO, anything over 60Hz is only distinguishable for most people with test patterns like that, but on daily use, there will be almost no difference.
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by May 20, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
My (in)human eye can notice if you are at 60Hz or higher. Not sure where did you get this fact, but the human race could have evolved lately as we stare at these shiny boxes all day. Next time I visit a store I will try to see if I can notice 120Hz vs. 240Hz, but 60Hz vs. even 72Hz is easy to notice.
by spencer_tennant May 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
true that the imax only runs at 15 Hz
by May 21, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
Hmm, I'm not sure 18Hz is the max. I can tell a difference between 60 vs 72, and even 72 vs 100. Maybe it depends on the monitor, but my high res CRT display shows less flicker to my eyes the higher you go up to 100. After 100, like 120, I can't tell a difference.
by May 21, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
As far as IMAX at 15fps, yeah, I can really tell that. I always thought it looked way jittery, especially at that size. Bleh.
by lawgone May 21, 2009 2:55 PM PDT
I like the first reply about our eyes having evolved. I'm not an evolutionary biologist or any other ist for that matter (credit to Ferris), but I'm pretty sure that evolution takes a little bit longer that the 75 years or so we've been watching TV.
by hermy22 May 26, 2009 12:58 AM PDT
Want to know more about imax? --> www.howstuffworks.com/imax.htm
Imax (2D/3D) is shot with 24fps (imax hd with 48fps). In your cinema you will see each of the 24 frames three times, which is 72Hz at all! Otherwise you will see it flicker. Just compare what you see today with the old Charlie Chaplin films...
Imax looks jittery even because of only 24 new frames per second. And it looks blurry on fast scenes even because you show each frame 3 times.

Btw, do NOT try to find out your flicker frequency with a LCD monitor. It wont work. Use a CRT! If you still have one...
by T3hZ10n June 29, 2009 2:28 PM PDT
"To trick the eye and brain into thinking they are seeing a smoothly moving object, the pictures should be drawn at around 12 frames per second (frame/s) or faster (a frame is one complete image). With rates above 70 frames/s no improvement in realism or smoothness is perceivable due to the way the eye and brain process images. At rates below 12 frame/s most people can detect jerkiness associated with the drawing of new images which detracts from the illusion of realistic movement. Conventional hand-drawn cartoon animation often uses 15 frames/s in order to save on the number of drawings needed, but this is usually accepted because of the stylized nature of cartoons. Because it produces more realistic imagery computer animation demands higher frame rates to reinforce this realism." - Wikipedia
by Tuk2009 July 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
I really think that although the human brain only perceive a certain amount of frames a second (70+) may be true. But the television is projecting these images to us. You must also account for the fact the brain may take from certain frames and process those separately (skipping certain frames to process). So it may take frame 1,3,4,6,8,9,10,12,12,15, ect. depending on blink rate and brain awareness. I can almost guarantee that everyone's brain is different at decoding... I mean, thought we are all created equal, some people's brains are simply wired differently and function as different levels. I can definitely notice a different from 60hz to 120hz. Text on the screen simply is much more clear. I would be hard pressed to say that the more frames a second (the faster the refresh) would not have a benefit as the technology evolves, though slowly dissipate as the refresh rate increases. Long story short, get what you can see and stop when you don't notice a difference.
by shahheidari August 5, 2009 2:01 PM PDT
I can definitely tell a huge difference between 60 vs 120, especially in an action scene or a sporting event...not sure where you are getting your facts...
by SactoGuy018 May 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
I've seen the output from a Blu-ray player on a 46" Samsung "LED TV" panel and thanks to that 240 Hz refresh rate, the picture quality is nothing short of -astounding-. It's so clear--especially with motion--you wonder if you are watching the direct video output of a theatrical-quality digital movie camera, that's to be sure.
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by deecee May 21, 2009 3:24 PM PDT
I am wondering if the display of a "theatrical-quality digital movie camera" is 240Hz.... I doubt that...
by Xavier-XXX May 21, 2009 8:10 PM PDT
SatoGuy018,

I was able to view the Samsung LED 120 Hz. They didn't had the 240 Hz (8000 series), but I was able to view a comparable LCD (not LED). In short, the Samsung LED was impressive and so detailed compared to the hundreds of TVs/LCDs/DLPs/CRTs I have looked at over many years.

I can say with all honesty, that I can see the difference. While I agree that the differences between 120/240 Hz could be based on the ability for someone to see the difference; I, however, have developed trained eyes due to my two decades and more of studying home theater technology. Hence, I consider myself a video and audio -phile or purist -- if you want to go to that extent. This is the same between someone who have driven a Mercedes Benz for years compared to a Ford -- they drive and feel are totally polar opposite.

When it all boils down to is perception; whether one is able to notice the differences.
by albertsoler May 20, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
Manufacturers can keep on doubling refresh rates if they want. The smart consumers will simply buy 'the older technology' 120 Hz at much lower prices.

"We dun need no steenkin' Blu-Ray an' we dun need no steenkin' 240 Hz."
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by megustansalchichas May 20, 2009 3:04 PM PDT
judder is a much bigger problem than motion blur. i saw the new LED from samsung displaying a movie from blu-ray, and the the image was amazing 99.9% of the time. But a wide angle panning shot of an aircraft carrier crossing from left to right showed the same judder problem as in older TVs -this was jarring in an image that was otherwise the best I've ever seen. TV manufacturers have to fix the judder issue once and for all.
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by countertorque May 21, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
TV manufacturers can't eliminate judder inherent in the 24 fps source material they're showing. If you want that judder to go away, you'll need to get the movie industry to start shooting at higher frame rates. We've been seeing it in every movie we've ever watched in the theater. No one complains about it there.

The only judder TV manufacturers can eliminate is the extra judder associated with improperly converting 24 fps to 60 fps (or 240 fps) on your TV.
by baggyguy1218 May 20, 2009 3:11 PM PDT
I have a Samsung 120Hz LCD and I can see a difference when watching some channels. Th effect was strange at first but I quickly became used to the 120Hz which I have set at Medium not high. Even in Low setting you can see it but when turned off you can see it with no problem. I have also seen 240Hz and I saw no difference at all. It was on a Samsing 240Hz LED, although beautiful and new I am very happy with my 120Hz LCD. Which I bought at an awsome price, I might add. Wait for the "New" new LEDs, I say.
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by pdskep May 21, 2009 5:15 AM PDT
More fraud perpetrated on the public by the electronics industry. Tell people it's better and they have to have it regardless of whether anyone can actually tell the difference. 1080p, 120Hz and now this. People who are told it's better and believe it will 'see' the difference. Objective viewers such as CNET know the real truth. You can tell me you can see the difference all you want. How do you know you're not imagining it? People who spend more for something will naturally think it's better regardless of whether it actually is or not.
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by ed mcguirk May 27, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
Mine goes to eleven.
by deric_raymond June 3, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
You're exactly right, it's just the placebo effect. "If it costs more, and has higher numbers across the board, it must be a lot better." When, in fact, the end result is only slightly better if noticeable at all.
by May 21, 2009 5:31 AM PDT
How about comparing these new 240Hz to a 60Hz. I'd like to see if there is a noticeable difference.
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by jillbertz May 21, 2009 5:37 AM PDT
240 Hz LCD will enable shutter-mode 3D, such as offered by NVIDEA. This is not a big deal now, but soon there will be 3D gaming boxes and eventually 3D Blu-Ray.
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by wokwithme June 26, 2009 9:54 PM PDT
You only need 120Hz to be use Geforce 3D. The problem is if your LCD TV will sync correctly with the 3D shutter glasses. Another issue is if the TV will give 120Hz input from your PC. Some 120Hz LCD TV's only provide 60Hz for PC input.
by wakkus May 21, 2009 5:56 AM PDT
It depends on so many things, specially on screen size. This is easy: over 46", get a 1080p, under, stick with a 720p. In terms of the refresh rate, it's really not an issue: 60hz is more than enough. The dejudder is really what you notice when you see the effect on the 120Hz models, and the same thing now with the 240Hz. If you ask me, I've got a Pioneer Kuro 42", 720p, and nobody has shown me a better image. Maybe a 1080p 42" kuro, but it's noticeable at 3 feet. Do you really watch TV at 3 feet from the set? FREAK!
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by blusky08 May 21, 2009 5:58 AM PDT
How about some assessment of the new HDMI standard recently announced? With a new connector, it will essentially not be backwards compatible. When will these new HDMI connections begin to show up on our electronics? What will be the impact?
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by sl157 May 21, 2009 6:45 AM PDT
Working at an electronics retailer i probably watch more of these TV's than most other people. At our store we have the 6000 and the 8000 series Samsung LCD LED side lit TV's side by side with HD Satellite, and Bluray switchable on both. In any normal viewing there is no noticable difference between 120 Hz and 240 Hz, but an extremely noticable difference between 120 Hz and 60 Hz. "Motion Blur" has little or nothing to do with a lack of frames. It's all based on the backlighting. CCFL don't flash at a rate that matches with the picture (ie 60, or 30 Hz), so you see blur, LED's being much more versatile can flash at 60, 120, 240, or even 480 (which is going to be next year from what Sony is saying)... you don't need 120 Hz or higher with LED, but the industry refuses to go back on something that can make them more $$.
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by ccmike72 May 21, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
thats some good info.. good post
by ccmike72 May 21, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
I think a lot of people commenting are mixing up the Hz with the dejudder effect introduced in the 120Hz model tvs. I have serious doubts that anyone here can honestly see much difference or possibly any between 60-120 and definitely not in 120-240. Just an attempt to get more money out of the consumer.
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by Spiza2 May 21, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
"if you want the latest and greatest spec", get a Kuro before they are all gone. Plasma > LCD.
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by deecee May 21, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
Is 240Hz worth it? Just look at the picture above the article... Sure, I hundle around with all my friends and watch a test pattern inches away from my large screen LED TV all day long... Come to think of it, I don't even need a couch in my living room before I always stand no more than 1-2 ft away from my TV when I watch it anyway.
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by redredwine63 May 21, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
You guys are missing something. Your eyes can only see flickering light at a frequency below 18 times per second (18Hz). That doesn't mean the video processing in the TV isn't still creating artifacts. If a 60Hz tv is generating stair steps on horizontally moving scenes, your eyes will see the bad image quality regardless of the refresh rate. The manufacturers are increasing the refresh rate in an attempt to combat video processing requirements. It's cheaper to buy faster ramdacs that to increase the CPU horsepower and software necessary to properly render a moving digital scene. Thats what anti-judder is all about.
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by mbeoletto May 21, 2009 5:07 PM PDT
I have an older 52" 1080p Sony that is 60Hz and I've never had much of an issue with motion blur. I really was concerned for awhile that I should of held out for a 120Hz model but I really don't notice any issues with watching normal programming and I watch a lot of sports and Blu ray. The only thing I might notice is the ESPN scroll bar, but then again who really cares if there's slight blur to the scroll bar. I'm not going to spend another $2k because I'm worried about scroll bars looking good.
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by B313 May 21, 2009 10:50 PM PDT
I dont understand why this 240Hz thing is so good. i honestly hate it. In real life there is motion blur so why shouldnt there be any on our TV.
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by Xavier-XXX May 22, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
B313,

It depends on one's ability to perceive the finer details of an object moving across the screen on a TV. Even though there may be motion blur in real life, we have the tendency to either move our eyes or head relative to the motion of an object which significantly reduces blur. So, while watching a movie, though there's some movement of the eyes moving from left to right, for example, it isn't that profound; however, in real life, for example, watching tennis and tracking the ball with your eye is very profound. The reason behind anti-blur technology is to simply reduce what could be a distraction to someone who has trained eyes. In all, it's an individual preference between 120 or 240 Hz.
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by Wolfpup3 May 22, 2009 8:36 PM PDT
These "120hz" and "240hz" labels they're slapping on LCD sets refer to a PROCESSING effect. It has NOTHING to do with the actual screen. LCDs don't even HAVE "refresh rates" as they don't refresh. It's something that applies to CRTs and is getting misapplied to LCDs.

It's also really, really nasty looking, at least how Samsung implements it. Its something you want to shut off as soon as you get a set. Weirdly, Cnet actually used to warn you about that, and recommend turning it off. Not sure why that's changed.
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by Brimstone11 May 26, 2009 3:23 PM PDT
Samsung does use LED scanning backlight on their high-end rear lit LCDs. Even the old Samsung 81f model did this. This continues on their top models with rear lit LED.

I quote

" Samsung's 81F Series LCD TVs come in four sizes: 40", 46", 52", and 57". All are driven by a LED backlight. The advantages of a LED backlight are many and one of the features Samsung calls LED Motion Plus is important. The LED Motion Plus cycles eight rows of LEDs progressively and sequentially turns each row on and off every eight of a second. This greatly improves motion blur."


There is no blur on LCD themselves. The blur is on the retina of human watching the display. Lowering hold times and using scanning backlight that mimics how CRTs works help eliminate this.
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