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April 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT

Sweaty workouts killing iPhones?

by David Martin
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iPhone 3G water sensor top

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iPhone 3G water sensor bottom

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Some iPhone owners are claiming that exercise, while good for you, may break your Apple device. Of course, as with most electronic devices, significant moisture can ruin Apple's iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPod. But now, some are saying that water damage may occur during activities as mundane as going for a jog.

This past Monday, KPRC Channel 2 in Houston ran a story during its Ask Amy consumer segment titled Ask Amy: iPhones Sweat Sensitive. (The video segment can be seen here.) In the segment, investigative reporter Amy Davis pursued consumer complaints about iPhones being damaged by sweat. According to Amy's report:

Our cell phones take a pretty good beating. We drop them. Your kids may use yours as a teether. But the Apple customers we spoke with said all they did was take their new phones to the gym.

"I never would've bought a phone if I knew it would ruin the first time I got it out at the gym," Stacie Keneker said.

"They sell all these accessories that you are supposed to be able to use at the gym to make it convenient," Lee Pittman complained.

But "convenient" is the last word Pittman and Keneker said they'd use to describe their iPhone experience.

"I would like a phone that works," Keneker said, holding up her iPhone that constantly resets itself.

"This phone is worthless to me now. It's useless," said Pittman, whose iPhone will no longer let him make calls.

When their iPhones stopped working properly, both said Apple employees told them a moisture sensor on their devices had been tripped.

"It happens all the time," said Pittman, repeating what he said an Apple employee at the Willowbrook, Texas, store told him. "He said they have this issue all the time."

What happens? Apparently sweat happens.

Both Keneker and Pittman use their iPhones at the gym to listen to music or use the calorie-counting fitness applications that actually come with the phone. They said Apple employees told them their sweaty palms are the likely culprit here.

"If this was going to be sensitive enough where you can't use it at the gym, why don't they have a cover there?" asked Pittman, pointing to the opening where the charger plugs into the iPhone.

According to Amy, all calls to Apple public relations were not returned as of press time. Amy asked Apple about whether or not they would make design changes or issue warning to consumers about this problem and according to her, "They didn't answer that question". She was, however, directed to a 28-page product information guide that did little to resolve the issues for consumers she had received complaints from. So far none of these consumers has gotten any relief from Apple.

Nokia small, round water sensor under battery and cover

(Credit: David Martin)

I discussed the consumer complaints with Amy and decided that the iPhone failure in one case was probably an honest accident--the user apparently has sweaty hands and tripped the sensor on the bottom of the iPhone 3G. It is hard to believe that this alone would kill the only-three-week-old iPhone. I hope that the Apple Store employees are only voiding warranties if both sensors are tripped, but I was not able to verify this either with Apple.

I realized something else when speaking to Amy about the iPhone and any Apple product with a water damage sensor: unlike on other cell phones, the moisture sensors are very accessible. On most cell phones, the sensors are located underneath a removable battery and enclosed by the cover that usually locked the battery into place. One would suspect that since those sensors were deep inside of the device, that they were better judges of whether or not you dropped the cell phone in a puddle.

In comparison, Apple's sensor (at the bottom of the iPhone) could easily be set off by sweat from your hands. You can see the sensor locations for a iPhone 3G in the photo above and a Nokia cell phone below for comparison.

Concerned about iPhone water damage? Previous iPhone Atlas articles show you how to check your iPhone for water damage and what to do about saving it. Apple even has a knowledge base article about it titled: iPhone and iPod: Water damage is not covered by warranty.

Or, for a very easy solution, make sure to use a good case (like the iSkin Revo2) that covers both the headphone jack and the docking/sync connector. This type of case isn't completely waterproof, but it might help protect the sensor on the bottom of the iPhone 3G--it has so far for me.

Update: You can find additional coverage about this story on CNN.com.

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by Ruprect8696 April 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT
I've exercised with my iPhone 3G 2-3 times a week for the last 6 months using an armband to strap the phone to my upper arm and have never had a moisture problem. Both the headphone jack (which has headphones plugged into it) and docking connector are open so I'm not sure what I'm doing differently than the people having these problems.
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by b_baggins April 9, 2009 7:03 AM PDT
Yep. I'll lay money now both of these people got their phones wet and are now trying to claim it was tripped by "sweat" during an intense workout. If they're sweating that badly, it would be like a rain storm being near them. Yuck.
by aqnguyen87 April 8, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
this one sunject is still kindof up in the air for me... I do see a lot of users who have water issues, and most of them seem to be good, honest people who just had a blunder... but diiferentiating accidents from negligence always leds to an argument... all companies have a foot in this (ie. Bestbuy and their accidental damage prtection plan, very grey areas in what is considered).
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by Neumenon April 8, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
If a person feels compelled to work out with a telephone - their all in one little obsessive universe - and then wonder why it might suddenly stop working on account of sweat, shock or drops, you kind of have to figure they aren't very bright; have misplaced priorities, and should proobably get a dedicated mp3 player for their workout. Oh, and yes, there are much better quality mp3 players out there other than what is provided in the Appletard universe.
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by ikramerica--2008 April 8, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
yeah, that's why even apple makes the shuffle.

but the real question is, would a case cover the holes? I mean, if the sensor is in the headphone jack and the dock connector, most sleeves and such allow access to those...
by Cruton502 April 8, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
I am not an apple guy and stay away from them, but I have to say your argument is just plain dumb. This isn't about having an all-in-one but instead about having an expensive investment failing on you. Iphones aren't cheap and if they can play music, then why invest more money into an MP3 player especially if the user isn't an audiophile? Iphones should be able to handle a workout and a little sweat and Apple would be smart to fix that. But don't make fun of people because they want simplicity in their lives.
by tcr071 April 8, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
Well if the device can't withstand simple exercise then perhaps Apple should stop marketing it as a device you can exercise with. If the phone crashed every time you opened the internet you would be a tad peeved would you not? You came to expect that ability with the phone purchase.
by Neumenon April 8, 2009 3:21 PM PDT
I'm not really sure iphone workout users are actually looking for simplicity. I think they are looking for a way to stay hooked into their little obsessive complusive universe. If you watch IPhone tards in the real world, they seem to have great difficulty tearing themsleves away from their wittle ApplePhone. Naturally, they appear to want to extend this behavior...INTO THE GYM because THEY CAN'T PUT THE DAMN THING DOWN.
by shootdraxxus April 9, 2009 6:20 AM PDT
@Neumenon: Sounds like someone's got a little iPhone envy... What sucks about any apple/iPod article is it always becomes a fanboy vs. hater contest. All of a sudden people with iPhones are tards. Way to express a valuable opinion. Regarding the article however, apple is probably known by now for their quarky engineering practices. Take a very functional device like the iPhone but leave out MMS and place water sensors in an area easily affected by sweat and the functionality drops. If you think about it though, the iPhone contains a lot in a slim package. I personally think you can't make a product like the iPhone or any other multifunctional device with out looking over something. Issues and articles like this come up, and the manufacturer will fix it the next time around. Granted they may be shady with the current product, and fight tooth and nail to keep the money you already paid them; but the next product will have the current deficiencies high on the priority list of things not to do again.
by ikramerica--2008 April 8, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
It does sound though that you can get your phone working again if you follow the steps in the linked article and the tips of some readers.

As for why the sensors are where they are: on a phone with a removable battery, moisture would wick pretty quickly into that area when submerged. On an iPhone, there are two major entry points for water. But the sensors should be deeper inside the device near those points, not in the slots themselves.
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by invisible21 April 8, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
First, the article points out that there is a calorie counting application INCLUDED with the iphone which says to me, this thing should be able to handle a decent workout.

Second, obviously the reason the moisture sensor is visible from the outside is because the iphone can't be easily disassembled by an apple store employee. If the sensor were buried inside the phone, they'd have to send it to a service center to even look at the moisture sensor. This is another issue that could be solved by a user replaceable battery.

In any case, with the iphone being partially pushed as a flash-based mp3 player with the workout accessories to boot, the thing should be a little more resistant to moisture.

I don't have an iphone but was considering getting one in June if they release a new one. Hopefully they address this with the next hardware revision.
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by cranfordio April 9, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
The iPhone does not come with a calorie counter or any type of workout program. The writer of this article obviously did not do any type of research. I use my iphone during my workouts all the time, I sweat a lot and have never had a problem with my phone. My headphones are plugged into the headphone jack so obviously no sweat can get in there, and since the bottom of the phone is facing down then obviously sweat isn't going to get in there either.
by dsmith4321 April 8, 2009 9:18 PM PDT
Are people really surprised by this? I remember as a kid being taught to keep toys and other electronics away from water. I remember science class talking about water conducting electricity and also causing metal to rust.

Sweat is water. Pretty simple concept. If you have enough sweat that it builds up more than a sheen then you should towel off before grabbing your phone/mp3 player. If you keep the phone or mp3 player right next to your sweating body then you're just asking for it. Apple could make a more water proof one, but then people would complain about it being bulky, clunky, ugly, and very non-Apple.
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by ktreb April 8, 2009 9:30 PM PDT
As this relates to the Touch...if it's not meant for working out, then why the hell does Apple put Nike+ on the 2nd generation? But, my sweaty workouts haven't affected it.
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by chammock2000 April 8, 2009 9:50 PM PDT
for the premium charged for such a device. Apple should get it golden shellback-ed from the factory. Get a bulk deal (b/c that service is expensive) and pass it on to consumers.
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by redheadedjoa April 8, 2009 11:50 PM PDT
For me, I've never had a problem with my iPhone and sweat. I do have the older version, so that might have some impact, but I've dropped it in the snow and it was completely fine. I've ran with it and it has gotten all sweaty, but still I have no problem. I think the problem lies within the design on the iPhone 3G, which really sucks and Apple should probably do something about.
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by mikec1952 April 9, 2009 5:02 AM PDT
I took my IPOD to the gym, rather than my shuffle. A little bit of sweat... and IPOD no longer works. Apple offered a 10% discount on a new one, or $129 for refurbished. Great deal....
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by dfic April 9, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
I heard that about ipods before. I run with my zune all the time, sweat and rain dont seem to be a problem.
by billing11 April 9, 2009 6:25 AM PDT
I can answer a few of the questions posed here. Yes, Apple does void the warranty based on one indicator being tripped. They did so to me. Furthermore, they insisted that it could not happen, unless my phone had been immersed in water (It's the bottom indicator for me). They told me point blank that sweat, humidity, or other incidental exposure could not possibly cause the indicator to trigger, and the inescapable inference was that I was lying about the fact that my phone had not been exposed to water. No recourse, no benefit of the doubt, just tough luck, thanks for the $300.00. Oh, by the way, a replacement is going to cost you $500.00. Have a nice day. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, and Apple basically told me to get lost. In my opinion, Apple is using these false water indicators to control loss. I believe it?s shameful and unethical for them to create the device with literally no protection at all, have it be as sensitive as it apparently is to even the slightest moisture, market it the way they did and then hide behind these indicators as excuses not to back their product warranty. Probably all they would have needed was a small flip up door to protect the connector bay, and a large number of these problems would have disappeared. Or move the water indicator to some place (admittedly more difficult for Apple ?geniuses? to access) where it would be more reasonable to assume there has been an ?immersion event?. It?s too bad really. I am a relatively new Apple customer, with a new MacBook as well as I Phone. With customer service policies like these, it?s going to be hard to justify going for that premium price again. And the device itself is a marvel, all it needed was a little engineering focused toward protecting my device. Guess that extra thirty cent investment in a connector cover was too much to ask.
If anyone has a notion to file some sort of class action against Apple, I want in. They should not be able to turn me away from support like they did.
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by nivlazenemij April 9, 2009 7:14 AM PDT
I can't see why somebody would take a chance on a $200+ iPhone getting busted in the middle of a workout. I personally have an iPod Touch and recently bought a cheap Sansa Clip to use at the gym. Much lighter and less obtrusive btw. PS: One of my pet peeves is people glued to the phone while working out lol
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by molotov April 9, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
the story is mainly talking about dumb people. i, from the start, knew that my touch is not friendly any kind of physical activity short of Walking. i have a separate mp3 player - just for the gym.
the touch/iphone is easily breakable, so if sweat doesn't get to it; one nasty fall WILL!
you want email, weather and the whole of internet on your phone/mp3 player - and you want it to be amphibious!? get real people!!! get real
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by lavern April 9, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
I thought one of the points of having a Iphone is that everything is in a single device. If I have to purchase another MP3 player that doesnt really work
by fbachhuber April 9, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
My phone also started having issues and I was told by Apple employees that my warranty was completely void due to the bottom moisture sensor being triggered. I was told that even moving an IPhone between differing temperatures (say from a cold car to inside) could cause enough condensation to trigger the sensors. What a crappy piece of technology if it can break so easily. Sign me up for the lawsuit, for now I guess all I can do is complain to the Better Business Bureau and wait for my AMEX warranty coverage to kick in.
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by jtaylor475 April 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
These people should wipe their phones down. They are probably the same people who run for 1.25 hours on a treadmill, raining sweat down on the track, the console, and the neighboring gym-sters, and then when done they grab their water, their iPhone, and their (dry) towel and walk away without wiping down the drench apparatus for the next person.
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by cdtphilpot April 9, 2009 6:25 PM PDT
I exercise with my iPhone 5 days a week I have an armband I use. I've yet to have a single issue. Even when I first got my iPhone and would exercise with it in my pocket I never had the moisture sensor trip.
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by cfohlin April 9, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
My friend has WASHED his iPhone with his clothes and it was fine. It turned on when it came out but showed noticeable moisture under the glass screen. He simply turned it off, left it near his wood stove to dry out and voila, it now works perfectly fine. This was a 1st generation iPhone, not sure if they have sensors or not.
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by awildman737 April 10, 2009 2:57 PM PDT
I have used this product and it really works! Just drop the Iphone in the bag leave overnight and all the moisture will be taken out. It's great for prevention of any kind of water damage and it can bring a phone back to life if dropped in a pool of water by accident. check it out its a life saver. I run a lot in a very hot and humid climate so I use this product to help keep water out of my Iphone. I've also had friends who have dropped Ipods into swimming pools and this product brought it back to like. Check it out.

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by onsitecellularrepair April 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
You may succeed in letting it dry by itself and working again, but you won't be able to stop the corrosion. A liquid damaged cell phone must be cleaned inside before being dried. Corrosion is ugly stuff, it becomes rust. Think of it like cancer, eating at your phone guts. Getting your phone wet started it; the moisture in the air feeds it; and every time you power up your phone, you're driving it closer to its grave. Take it to a local cellphone repair shop and have them do a thorough cleaning inside the phone and its components.



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by csumme7 April 18, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
Everyone I work for the carrier as a salesperson and will tell you EVERY phone is easily susceptible to sweat and moisture , Moto Razors , Sony ,Lg , Samsung ...every one of them . Apple iPhone accurately is fairly water resistant and as proof we have shown to customers our demo submerged in water . It has better seals than any phone in the line up , the Rugby is the only other phone I would trust to do this with . People need to get a grip and quit the lies and saying that a little moisture ruined there phone when we routinely submerge one regularly to show the water resistance on the same phone . Get real . Most other phones could not stand even a hint of moister and we have had some come back were all they did was out door work got sweaty and the sensor would trip ( not the iphone , others like the Razor , Shine , Sync .etc...). The iPhone is a VERY rugged piece equipment but it's not indestructible and why would you treat a $500+ piece of electronic equipment like a $20 MP3 player ... HELLO!!!!!
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by frankiepa May 4, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
i don't think everyone is saying the phone doesn't work anymore. for me, my iphone works perfectly fine. however the sensor at the bottom of my phone is pink which is why i can't replace a button that fell off. some people are going to replace their phones for unrelated reasons (dust, missing button, cracks), but can't get a replacement because the sensor is now red.

i agree with you the phone is probably well made, but the sensors are not. i am not lying when i say my iphone hasn't been submerged in water and what i want replaced has nothing to do with water. i was just told i can't because of the sensor. a total surprise to me and from what i've read, for others as well since many also take good care of their phone. for me, i treated my iphone like a baby, researching what film to put on the glass so smudges don't show, buying a shock proof case, and even wiping it clean of dust each night. the only thing i can think of is a moist jeans pocket from rain or humid asia where i used my iphone on wifi networks...
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