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October 21, 2009 2:19 PM PDT

Windows 7: The first wave

by Dan Ackerman
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All-in-one desktops and laptops are among the first PCs with Windows 7.

With the launch of Windows 7, computer shoppers are emerging from a dark period when newly purchased desktops and laptops would arrive with an already archaic operating system. Even with the promise of a free upgrade, it made sense for most to wait until systems started shipping with the new OS.

If you're eager to hit the ground running, we've already reviewed several Windows 7 PCs, from big names such as Lenovo, Toshiba, and HP. Click on the gallery below to check out each one, including the massive Toshiba Qosmio X505, the touch-screen Lenovo T400s, and the HP Touchsmart 600 all-in-one.

This collection represents the very first wave of Windows 7 computers, but after October 22, it'll be rare to find a Vista or XP desktop or laptop for sale anywhere.

Click here to see all the Windows 7 laptop and desktop reviews

New York native Dan Ackerman, a former radio DJ turned journalist, has written about technology and music for publications including Spin, Blender, The Hollywood Reporter, and USA Today. He hosts the weekly Digital City podcast and the New York edition of Editors' Office Hours. Dan's new album, Tales Out of Night School, is available now. E-mail Dan.

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by shellcodes_coder October 21, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
I've been using Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM for a couple of months and it ROCKS!!
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by 12rex October 23, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
I agree. I have the RC and it rocks!
by October 23, 2009 6:20 PM PDT
I agree. I am a die hard linux lover. Since the day I installed my Win 7 7600 built... I have spent significantly more time using it than my debian.
by stockyjoe October 24, 2009 1:23 AM PDT
@October I'm jusy curious. I am a windows user. Windows 7 is definitely better then Vista. But what is it about WIndows 7 that suddenly would make a hardcore linux advocate like it so much? Its great but I dont know if its that spectacular. On the outside its still very much Vista.
by yours_truly_michael October 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Windows 7 RC kept crashing on the second day of my test run last week. It seems to be as buggy as Vista. And there isn't any speed improvements either, I've run the tests on two identical machines.

I came across an article of Windows 7 vs Ubuntu Linux. I downloaded the free Ubuntu CD image, tried it, and it worked like a beauty, and everything is so easy to do in Linux, and all the 30,000 free applications are a huge bonus. I'm really surprised why I didn't hear about Ubuntu before. It's really awesome. I love how fast my laptop runs with it now.

For more help with Ubuntu, google "Ubuntu Loco Teams" and you'll find a Ubuntu user group in your city, they have volunteers who are ready to help out newbies.
by jamest1945 November 13, 2009 9:34 AM PST
Unlike many reviews I have read over the years of WIndows XP. I never had a problem . I kept it up to date with every XP patch etc., from Microsoft. Issues yes when I downloaded and installed programs, particularly pc games. I created my own problems. I recently purchased a new computer pre-loaded with Vista Home Premium. It is far superior than XP ever was. I am now waiting for my free upgrade to Win 7 Home Premium from HP. I expect it to be problem free and I look forward to using the new system. Which reviewers have said is Microsoft's answer to Apple's OS.

I doubt that my relatively problem free experiences with XP or Vista for that matter are in the minority. I think CNET reviewers should consider the millions of users out there whose experiences are positive. For every one negative review I see posted there are probably tens of thousands who are happy and never post. Except me of course.

James
by streamline35 October 23, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
Agreed shellcodes - I was perfectly content with Vista, but after installing the 64bit release candidate back in July, I could never go back to xp or vista. I love it! Much faster, amazing task bar (best aspects of vista and osx combined, so it's better than either of them), extremely stable, etc...
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by ndhusn October 23, 2009 7:19 AM PDT
Its too bad Microsoft will not allow U.S. Military members to purchase Windows 7 or any other Microsoft products from their website. They are one of the ONLY businesses in the world, much less American businesses, who refuse to sell products to Military members stationed on US bases overseas. The problem is that service members and their family's addresses are FPO/APO addresses, which Microsoft refuses to allow. Just about every organization in the world recognizes the addresses. Its very unfair to the men and women who put their lives on the line every day, not to mention their families. Why does Microsoft continue to do this?
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by mbenedict October 23, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
Just use a 3rd-party forwarder like APO Box.

UPS handles Microsoft's shipping, and couriers can't deliver to FPO/APO addresses. Hence Microsoft can't deliver directly to FPO/APOs.

This is fairly common, so I don't know why you'd state that Microsoft is the "only" business in the world / America to do this. Does Apple ship to FPO/APO from the Apple Store? No, they don't either. Basically any company that contracts shipping to couriers like UPS and FedEx can't directly deliver to FPO/APOs.
by renGek October 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
You do realize that microsoft has licensing deals directly with the govt so that you don't need to go through microsoft's general public site right. There is probably a dedicated ms page for you to order your software at a substantial discount than if I was to buy it. You may want to research that a bit more before you scream murder.
by MikeO654 October 23, 2009 9:01 AM PDT
Installed Windows 7 last night.. its amazzzzinnngggg!!! I love it!
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by bluemist9999 October 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
Personally, I'm very happy with Windows 7 on my home machine. I haven't yet installed the DVD (I received it yesterday) but have been happily running the RC for a few months.

It's definitely a worthy upgrade to Windows XP and Windows Vista.

However, if you purchase a Netbook, you will receive the Starter Edition. This means:
- You cannot personalize the desktop (i.e. change background, sound schemes or Themes)
- You cannot view DVD movies through Windows Media Player
- You don't get the fancy Aero glass UI
- You CAN run more than 3 programs at once (Microsoft removed this limitation)

However, with these restrictions in mind, the Starter edition works well on netbooks. If you want, you can use the Windows Anytime Upgrade to upgrade to Home Premium for $80.
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by Garken October 24, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
on the better netbooks you can install home premium and it will work just fine. try it ,you'll like it.
by Miss_information October 24, 2009 4:43 PM PDT
Looks like you can get netbooks (that is 11.6" laptops) with win 7 prem. Acer and Gateway at least have some with dual core pentium SU4100 chips, 3 gigs of ram...etc for $500. Also have the SU2300 based netbooks with 2 gigs of ram for $399. I would really like to see some reviews of these. I'm assuming they should have a big performance increase over the atom based models, based on there passmark scores being more than double the atoms and the added ram. Apparently battery life is still pretty damn good. Anyone know how HD video playback should be on these or how the atom could survive with these out there?
by Miss_information October 24, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
Sorry. I meant $550 for the SU 4100 models.
by iConquered October 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
I think the only reason I didn't wait to purchase my Gateway NV52, is simply because of free upgrade offers. I knew I wasn't going to get left out. It really shows that Microsoft is quickly adapting and learning about customer service. I already ordered my upgrade disc last week. I can't wait for it to show up so I can take advantage of all the new features. Hopefully DirectX11 will run smoother on my ATI card than DirectX10 did. Good job Microsoft. Now if only you could do something about the Xbox 360 RROD problems.
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by dennisl59 October 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT
Ironic that DELL is missing from the "Big Names" listed, isn't it?
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by istarr October 23, 2009 3:10 PM PDT
Many of us loaded Windows 7 RC after being encouraged by Microsoft to "try it out." After reading the materials carefully many of also decided to load it over VIsta with assurances itwould load without requiring a "clean install."
It worked flawlessly, and proved to be a very satisfactory program.
We then ordered a copy of the real thing for October 22 delivery.
Starting to install the new version is the first time this user was ever informed Win 7 Professional would not load over Win & RC Ultimate (which I believe was the only RC available for MS) without having to reload all programs. In other words a "clean install."
I would never have loaded Win 7 RC if I'd had that information.
The disaster will be even worse it everyone who ordered a 'Home" version of Win 7 - presumably many less experienced users - have the same problem.
Want a public relations disaster this will be in what otherwise appears to be a well thought out rollout.
After discussion with MS they now tell me there is NO way to move from RC to new product w/o a clean install.
Too bad they didn't make that VERY CLEAR when loading RC over Vista which went swimmingly!
I'd never have loaded RC if I had known rebuilding the hard drive was going to be required when I purchased the final product!
Where is their sense of "customer."
Microsoft owes those of us so affected an apology at the least and fix at the best!
Let's see some action by MS to avert this great, time consuming inconvenience for those of us who loyally followed their suggestions to try RC and went on to make the purchase!
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by deniceels October 23, 2009 10:59 PM PDT
They did repeatedly mention that you need to do a clean install from RC to the full version always. Furthermore, the only thing that the RC could do an 'upgrade' was from the Beat to RC via the change in the version number. Infact, they had advised not to install beta, let alone RC to over Vista partition in the first place UNLESS it's not important. So, you've likely never made aware of it's advises. I installed it in a seperate partition from day 1, so what gives?
by stockyjoe October 24, 2009 1:28 AM PDT
If I remember they have constantly said Win 7 would be a full install. This is actually a good thing. Its probably also why so many people are finding it so snappy. I mean its fast on its own, but nothing beats a clean install compared to years of installing updates over old installs. Things get kludged up over time. People running old 16 bit apps from when they had win 98 on a years old PC with sevaral iterations of update installs. I cringe to think how crappy those machine's must run.
by nafnes October 24, 2009 1:42 AM PDT
hey isstar
i didnt load RC myself but i recall they clearly said it on mail thy sent that u will need a clean install of the full version after RC...thts why i didnt bother loading it!!
by nafnes October 24, 2009 1:42 AM PDT
hey isstar
i didnt load RC myself but i recall they clearly said it on mail thy sent that u will need a clean install of the full version after RC...thts why i didnt bother loading it!!
by Garken October 24, 2009 7:04 AM PDT
istar, that info was clear from the start. all you had to do was read it. so you have to reinstall a few things, no big deal.
by October 28, 2009 2:10 AM PDT
Dear istarr,

It did say you need to be an advanced computer user and would need a clean install. Think of the good side! You get to pick and choose only the programs you need and none of the extra stuff thats accumulated over time. I do a clean install every year. Its kind of like a spring clean.

Cheers
by alqaqish October 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT
Apparently Dell didn't get the memo on Window 7 since most of the business and home computers including the All-in-Ones are still being sold with Vista... ***?
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by dennisl59 October 23, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
Their contract employees offshore decided to take holiday instead of updating the Website.
by usmawife October 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT
I got a car from HP in early June saying that when the new Windows 7 was released, I would receive a free download from HP. I am still waiting. Should I not hold my breath on receiving this.
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by fedtho October 24, 2009 5:52 AM PDT
As a PC *and* Mac user (so I can run the music software I want [as in Logic Pro on my PowerMac G5 - no Intel in there - and Wavelab and Audition on my PC], I'm a little surprised there's no talk at all of installing Windows 7 on an iMac, i.e. - I know this article is about systems with 7 *preinstalled*, but it seems to me iMacs still would deserve to be mentioned, being the great all-in-ones they are..!? Just a thought.

That said, I admit that the more I hear people raving about 7, the more intrigued I become. I'm a hardcore XP SP2 user who never touched Vista as I heard "nightmare" from all sides, but I'm guetting more curious by the second !
If 7 is to Vista what 98SE was to 95, I guess I'll have to look into it ;-)
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by Motyoj October 24, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
Apple needs to update bootcamp for Windows 7. I suppose if you have VMware or Parallels, you could do it with those.
by Garken October 24, 2009 7:02 AM PDT
fedho, there is no nightmare ! 7 has run great on every machine I've put it on. even my under powered emachines laptop - 1.6 athlon,2 gigs ram,ati x1200 graphics.
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by DMBoricua October 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
All computers are coming with 7 and Netbooks are coming with Windows 7 Starter right? No longer XP Home or Vista?
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by Miss_information October 24, 2009 4:44 PM PDT
Some have 7 home premium.
by bowacl October 25, 2009 2:03 PM PDT
I have seen a few on the shelves that still have XP on them, this may be until they are sold out I don't know.
by DMBoricua October 25, 2009 9:43 PM PDT
I went to Best Buy today and saw all laptops and netbooks with 7 so ok.
by Indigo_Blue_X October 24, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
Installed Windows 7 Professional last night. Less than 24 hours and getting the hang of where things are located, so far. Very similar to Vista in some aspects, without all the headaches! I do enjoy the perks of its performance...

My only gripe, and this is interesting... my Linksys wireless PCI adapter was not supported right away. Upgrade advisor warned me of this, but they [Linksys] REALLY dropped the ball. I later installed an Aria Extreme PCI (from Sonnet Technologies) and it worked!

Apple device supported before PC. Boo!

Overall, this is most likely to keep me from returning to Windows XP, but lets see.
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by Jimmy Angeles October 24, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
Yo quiero Vista
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by gmhest October 30, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
went fron xp pro to win7. should have kept outlook express
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