Pros 2 much to say here other than the "clunky" charger is more functional than the diNovo Edge, unless you are an Architectual Digest freak..i.e.style B4 function idiot....
Cons I have not enjoyed more than a days use B4 recharge time which is not that big of a deal. Just put er to "sleep" at night, wake er up for breakfast. B better if one kept 4 back up bats in which case there should be an easier to open bat compartment.
Summary Dislike because of shorter "drive" time than diNovo Edge. I believe that the actual keys should be dark silver or black so that they are easier to read in daylight. but you ain't gonna beat the 8000 for bright lighted keys, essential for anyone with vision problems who are not rocket person on a keyboard. ! I AM visually impaired and the wireless backlighted keyboard is a Godsend. The diNovo is NOT back lighted, for whatever reason I do not know. I bought and used one for several months. Real stylish "armpiece" lookin great sitting sideways up on its cute charger. But if you accidentally set the keyboard in offset...no charging...that will happen at times and leaves you with a dead board when you might need it the most. I mentioned "style B4 function freaks"...let me explain. The diNovo is a beautiful product. It works just fine IF you do not want or need a backlighted keyboard. I informed Logitech that was the main reason for returning for refund and Logitech was awesome in refunding with no "restock" fee. Backing up their customer satisfaction assurances, you can not go wrong with Logitech in my opinion. Had they provided a truly backlighted keyboard then, most likely I'd not have ordered the 800 and then I'd never know what a really kool keyboard it really is!Excuse my typos..for me its always more difficult on these "inside" fields to make all the correction...its not the fault of my 8000, just me, my sight and not being a very good typist and the ******* was not meant as a swear word, but rather it was supposed to be something like good, great or other compliment. Oh, and I erred on the Logitech restock fee. I did accept a $20 deduct on my refund but they did pay for the return shipping. Like I said, had Logitech offered a backlighted solution I would never have "dicovered the 8000, and I would be stuck with a "pretty" but in they way functionless charger, except to recharge. When one goes about "displaying" something like a keyboard as more important than function its time for a reality check, in my opinion...thanks for anyone who read all my blabbering...respectfully, Geezerkatz
Here are the reasons why...the "clunky" charger is fracking awesome, especially for a MacBookPro OSX 10.5 user such as I am. My room is set up "as if" I were3 using a desktop, not a laptop, deal being is when I need to haul my Mac with me I just pick it up and go...can't do that very well with a PC or and Apple. My Mac is the "brain" for all of my computer needs. I hook it to the RGB on a 47" 1080P 120hz Vizio LCD and use it as my primary monitor. If you've not experienced something like this you have not lived yet, in my opinion. I have my Magicjack VOIP plugged in to my Mac. Works flawlessly and saves me over $1200 per year on USA and Canada calls 24/7 kinda, sorta the best deal on planet earth and you only "risk" $19.95 per year. Thats how, on SSA I can afford a sweet 47" "monitor.
Now I am a creature for comfort. Sitting jacknife straight in front of anything smaller than a 47" monitor does not "work" for me. Thats why I must have a wireless keyboard. BUT, time to time I do need to sit in an ergonomic desk chair. And when I do, guess what? my 8000 fits sweetly on the slide out keyboard "drawer" wher I have my super mutli USB port keyboard and mouse charger neatly tucked on the back of the slider drawer and merely slip my 8000 into its well set up contact station which is all neatly tucked awy when not in use...and I can sit "straight arrow" using a desktop keyboard like the "saner" folks do who use computers. Try doing THAT with a diNovo and you look as perplexed as the well suited "I,m a PC" nerd does on the Apple ads. To keep it in real terms, the 8000 is absolutely *******' and it gives you 4, count 'em 4 USB ports to cram "stuff" into. So while its true, the Microsoft 8000 does cost a tad more than the diNovo Edge, and well it should since it offers substantially more in practical, user friendly terms...so, please 'scuuuuse me, I need to touch up my cocktail, click on American Idol Finale, use side by side PIP on my 47" Vizio, my way to "multi-task" as I check my e mail and trollop hither and yon on the net from 5-8 feet away kicking way baclk in my non-ergonomically correct but absolutely firstclas comfortable buttersoft leather rocker reciliner and tap tap away in the dark on my 8000, and "mouse" away with a really great bluetooth mouse critter (all paid for with the over $1200 per year I am saving using Magicjack and no, Magicjack, Vizio and Microsoft paid me nada to say what I am saying here. Its all true and I swear that on whats left of my now 70 year life, and enjoying every Blu Ray 1080P moment of it at the same time!
I hope this helps anyone interested in saving some $$$ and having some pretty good "stuff" at the same time. Just sayin, thas all, just sayin! Don't shoot the messenger!
Updated on May 20, 2009
Pros Backlit keyboard, Charging dock/USB hub and bluetooth great
Cons Mouse scroll wheel scrolls smooth instead of clicking, Extra mouse buttons accidentally get clicked, issues with charging, bluetooth dropouts and no connectivity during BIOS POST unless Hardware-managed Bluetooth selected
Summary Microsoft offered a cashback on this desktop set so price was less of an issue for me. All of the Cons mentioned above make this difficult to recommend. Make sure you use hardware-managed bluetooth otherwise you'll get keyboard lags and won't be able to use the keyboard during BIOS POST (in the mouse/keyboard control panels under the 'wireless' tab, click the advanced button).Actually, I'd give it 4 out of 5 as the hardware-managed bluetooth mode is making this a whole lot more pleasant to use now. Wish I'd found the option earlier.
Updated on Apr 4, 2009
Oh yeah, there's chrome 'Microsoft' lettering on the mouse which comes of over time.
I've also re-mapped the right-most button on the mouse to bring up the on-screen keyboard as I use the mouse a lot on it's own and the on-screen magnifier mapping was annoying. It's a shame that the on-screen keyboard application is so poor - use Click'N Type instead...
"Extremely annoying."on by nrdgrl
Pros Wireless connection is nice.
Cons Enormous-- not good for females. Both keyboard and mouse are way too big for small or medium-sized hands.
Keyboard curve makes it even harder to reach.
Mouse has a sensitive button for magnification that keeps getting accidentally turned on. Argh!
Summary Terrible unless you are an extremely huge, legally blind person.
Pros distance is good
keys are OK
charging good and runs a long time on one charge.
mouse pad on kbd is OK.
Cons touch keys are toooo sensitive and I can find no way in setup to fix.
Need to figure out how.
Mouse too big!
Not ergonomic mouse.
Function touch key printing unreadable in room light.
Not dark enough to illuminate keys internally.
Summary Put tape over touch buttons???
keyboard falsely read monitor light and dims keyboard too much
Need manual control!
Solved the distance problem I had with other wireless kbd.
Paid $250 including tax and shipping.
Pros All-in-one Media Center functionality, convenient in use
Cons Over-busy styling, a little overpriced, overall feel a slight let-down
Summary Seeing nothing that much better with the same functionality, I've equipped all of my Media Center PC's at home with the MWED8000. Leading off with 'no other alternatives, so I went with it' should indicate my sanguine feel about this keyboard, but I won't put too much of a downer on this review at the start because in terms of what it does, it does exactly what I want.
What you get in the package is a compact USB Bluetooth dongle, a combined USB hub (with a nice place for the dongle to nestle in operation) / charger, the keyboard and mouse (a colour-matched Laser Mouse 8000). Both items are powered by 2000ma AA Ni-Mh rechargeables - so no problems finding spares in the future.
Sit the mouse on the charger, wedge the keyboard under the charger in the designated slot (a little hokey I feel) and leave the setup to fully charge - which takes the better part of a working day. Install the software, connect the USB, follow the Bluetooth instructions carefully and you're all set to go.
The keyboard isn't designed to be an everyday office / home office item but more for the den or the couch. As such it has the regular keys, but also a dedicated key for starting Media Center, duplicated Back buttons, media transport controls and a Gadgets key, as well as a Microsoft Messenger key. It is pretty Microsoft-centric in terms of the software support, so if you're going with something else there is a chance that you're not going to be able to map everything as you want it.
Ergonomically I'd say the slightly V-shaped board isn't huge leap over a regular laptop-style wireless keyboard for couch browsing, but it does allow your hands to rest a little more naturally when typing on your lap. The key action is on par with most low-to-midrange laptops and is smooth, quiet and quick. The non-keyboard keys on the main keyboard area - volume, channel, etc feature a low-cost mouse button style action and are stiffer but more positive than the main keys. The top row of function keys and the Esc key is touch sensitive - something that I'm not 100% sure of, especially for Esc, which I think should be a regular key. The keyboard is definitely destined for off-desk use as it has no tilt facilities (and due to the V shape, would be unstable if tilted).
While controls are laid out logically and sensibly to be accessible when perched on the lap, the design lacks some pizazz. A little too busy, and a little too dependent on the silver accents to make a style statement.
Build quality is fine. Everything is tightly screwed together, parts are accurately moulded and the finish is good, and there is no sign of anything dropping off soon. But the keyboard creaks when you move it around due to it's all-plastic construction and it just doesn't feel like a premium product. Paying this much, I'd like to see some lightweight metal panels bolstering the structure.
The touchpad on the upper right hand side of the board is worth a mention, as although it looks like a directional controller (and can be used as one at the flick of a switch) it is actually a full touchpad in it's own right. However the tiny size along with the relatively low sensitivity makes it less of a pleasure to use, requiring much brushing across the surface to move the pointer onscreen. It also seems less sensitive to my thumb than it does to my index finger, which means that I can't use the touchpad when gripped in a controller-style fashion with my left thumb over the two mouse buttons on the left hand side, and the right thumb over the touchpad. An onboard touchpad is certainly a very good thing to have on a media keyboard but this example, while absolutely usable, is not particularly optimal.
The backlight is very cool as it is not only controlled by ambient light but turned on by a proximity sensor in the wrist rest. However it brings questionable practical benefits unless you're using it in the pitch dark - as the colour scheme of the keyboard is unfortunate, being identical to the effect on the Apple Macbook Pro where in many situations the contrast of the key legends is actually *reduced* through use of the backlight. Why? The effective luminosity of the backlit key legends in dull afternoon / dusk ambient light can almost equal that of the silver keys, making the legends much harder to make out than if the backlight was off. Black keys wouldn't have looked as cool at first glance, but the backlight would have been far more effective overall.
While not officially supported, Mac users can also take advantage of this keyboard - although the mouse won't work. If you are determined to hoist the vastly inferior Front Row on yourself due to your Mac pride, this keyboard will give you working transport and volume controls, touchpad and of course the rest of the 'normal' keyboard keys.
Lastly (and most definitely least) we get to the mouse, which I think really should be sold separately. I have four redundant mice because I bought the MWED8000 for the media keyboard function for use where I wouldn't have a suitable mousing surface. As a solid, not-too-inspiring rechargeable mouse with tilt scroll and a decent feel it's not too bad, I just fail to see the value in bundling it here for the use that the majority of Entertainment Keyboards are likely to be put to.
So there you have it - a product with good functionality which is pretty solid in use and posessed of some innovative touches which is absolutely suited for its role, sort of works with Apples, but is of questionable ultimate value and also slightly lost in a sea of mediocrity lacking the 'X factor'. A parable for Microsoft as a whole in 2008 for some, perhaps...