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"Juicy Screen, Big Base, Yin & Yang"
on by Capt. HM MurdockPros Screen is super juicy, looks amazing.
Cons Weak warranty. Big Base. Presets aren't great. Text legibility could be better.
Summary Here it is, the 22" title match (in my opinion...). After reading countless reviews, I narrowed my search to the best (IHMO) two monitors on the market today. Those would be:
In one corner - the HP w2207, weighing in at 9kg... sporting a juicy rotating screen and fully adjustable base - the HP clearly stands out as soon as you look at it.
In the other corner - weighing in at 7kg, the Samsung 226CW (yes, CW, not BW). Many reviews on the 226BW complain about the LCD being of the A series, C series, S series... anyway this is not what I am talking about. The 226CW offers a "new" technology they brag about called Samsung's Wide Color Gamut (97%) which supposedly makes colors more true to life, more amazing, more WOW factor.
Here's what I did - I (being a proud Canadian) went to my local Best Buy store, which offers a 14-day no-questions asked refund policy and I bought both monitors, with full intent on returning the loser of my showdown.
I am writing this review in day 3 of the contest, and will update it periodically as I go. I have benefitted from and enjoyed CNET reviews over the years, and decided it was time to give back to the community with this review. Here goes:
As of Day 3, it is a close race with no clear winner yet.
The HP w2207: I REALLY enjoy looking at this screen. It's just... I can't find a better adjective than juicy. On occasion, I enjoy Pirate-style games, and with this monitor I find I am often blinking my eyes for fear of getting splashed by the Carribean seas... the color richness and unreal clarity make games incredibly immersive. I've never seen anything like it. Call the HP a 10 out of 10 for image beauty. It's just bloody well gorgeous. I tested with other games, like NHL'06, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty 2, Civ4, and others. I was concerned that maybe the 5ms refresh might be a problem - but it wasn't. Liquid smooth at all times, this monitor was absolutely GORGEOUS in all tests, and performed amazingly. The best way I can describe it, is that it was so clear and juicy that it made you feel completely immersed in the game environment. I've not seen anything quite like it before.
How about everyday use - the internet, email, work stuff... The HP is amazing when compared to my previous monitor (a nice 19" CRT). I find the clarity better than what I'm used to. Easy on the eyes, and colors just brighter, more vibrant... I'm pleased with everyday use, but not as overjoyed as I was with the in-game graphics.
Final Note: 1 year warranty. Whaddup with that? Samsung has a 3 year warranty, as do many others. LAME on HP's part. Also, the monitor's base is large and cumbersome when compared to the Samsung 226CW, which has simple clean lines and a small elegant base.
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The Samsung 226CW: This is also a great monitor. You absolutely CANNOT go wrong here either. I had hoped that one or the other would be clearly and obviously better than the other, but sadly, it is a close race. I can best sum up the Samsung as follows: it is the best computer monitor on the market. But, there is no mistaking that it is a computer monitor. It also is very beautiful to look at, the colors are AMAZING. However, it lacks that certain "I-don't-know-what" that I described about the HP that really immerses you into games, that sucks you into it's juicy world and won't let go.... the Samsung looks great, but doesn't do that.
For games, the Samsung is flawless, but without character. Like an A+ student who lacks personality, I cannot find any fault with this monitor, I cannot cite a weak area with it. But my "gut" tells me I'm not "WOWed" by it. I don't squint when water splashes, expecting full well to get wet. I look at the screen, my brain knows it's perfect. But unlike the HP w2207, my mouth doesn't salivate... it's a very subtle difference, but it's there. HP has a prettier screen, that's that.
Everyday use - well here's the thing. The Samsung, under ANY preset was super easy and wonderful to read even the smallest font. It's great and super easy to work on when you are seated in front of a screen for countless hours. I found myself preferring the Samsung for everyday use, and come "game" time wishing I had the HP plugged in. The HP wasn't BAD at displaying text, like I said it was better than my previous CRT monitor. The Samsung tho, was that perfect A+ student. Flawless. Drew no attention to itself, just displayed your screen without any flaw. No flash, no "juicyness" no glitz or glam, just a damn fine computer monitor.
This was apparant when I tested them watching movies. The HP was "holy f*#k is that GORGEOUS!" and the Samsung was.... well it was flawless and I have no complaints, but I didn't drop my jaw on the floor either. The Samsung was a little dark, even at the brightest setting, movies didn't quite look as immersively perfect as they did on the HP. I played with the Samsung settings, and have still not been able to make them as good as the HP.
CONCLUSION:
HP wins for games and movies. I was worried about maybe the 5ms refresh being slow, it has not been, it's been perfect. Love it. Flaws include text displays well on only 2 out of 5 presets, the other 3 presets make text quite blurry. The 2 that display well - note that it displays "well" but not "great".
Samsung 226CW is great for being clean, simple, uncluttered and light. 'Net browsing is great in ANY preset mode, they all look great and read perfectly. Text NEVER goes blurry in any setting I have tried. Super easy on the eyes, it is so far my preference if I am working (3D modelling) for extended periods. Games play great. It is a great monitor, but you never lose yourself and forget you are looking at a computer monitor.
RECOMMENDATION:
Too early to be conclusive. I will update this review over the 2 weeks I have until one monitor goes back to the store. So far, I prefer the Samsung for work and 'Net stuff. The HP is most certainly better for pictures, movies and games. Wow, the screen is just juicy.... you GOTTA see it yourself to believe it... but be sure to spend some time looking at text on the web in various settings. You may not like it. I'm finding it pretty decent so far, but I'll update this review in a few days. I guess the bottom line is you can't go wrong with EITHER of these amazing monitors.
Hope this helps someone somewhere.
Cheers and good sailing,
Capt. HM MurdockUpdated
Hello again CNET,
After 2 weeks of use and constant monitor swapping back & forth, I have had friends and guests come over and give me their opinions - it took me a long time to decide but in the end it was clear that everybody preferred the HP. All who viewed them back to back were convinced that the HP w2207 just looked "nicer" or "looked juicy good!" when compared to the Samsung 226CW. After two weeks of obsessive trials (yes, I'm a perfectionist...)
here's my COMPLAINTS list for the two great monitors I've tested. This list includes suggestions from my friends who came over to help me decide.
HP w2207 Complaints:
- 1 Year Warranty is shorter than most others.
- Base/Stand is larger than Samsung's. Maybe slightly awkward by comparison to Samsung's clean simple lines.
- In 3 modes - Gaming, Movie, Photo modes - dark text on any background darker than a white background had a "halo" effect around the letters, making them blurry and not nice to read. This halo is not visible when the dark text was on a very bright background (ie: a normal white background). This was most commonly found in the drop down menus of my Firefox web-browser (ie: file, edit, view, history, bookmarks, tools, help). Those menus are black text on a grey background. In those 3 modes, there was a white-ish halo around the black letters, which actually made the small font blurry. In TEXT mode or CUSTOM mode - this was not a problem at all, and the text displays wonderfully.
Samsung 226CW:
- Screen just isn't as beautiful as the HP
- When watching movies, you never forget you are staring at a computer monitor.
- Movies are dark, after much playing with settings and brightness/contrast levels I still could not get it to display as nice as the HP. I mean, the Samsung looks great compared to my old CRT monitor, but against the HP it falls short.
- The 2ms refresh rate of the Samsung vs. the 5 ms refresh rate of the HP did not yield any advantage in gaming tests. With graphic levels cranked to the max, rapid movement looked just as fluid on the HP as it did on the Samsung. However, the color and clarity of the HP was superior. So no advantage to Samsung for it's supposedly faster refresh rates.
- The Samsung's color and brightness degrades VERY rapidly when you look at the monitor off-center. That is to say if you are looking slightly up or down at the screen, there is a VERY big change in the image quality, you must be absolutely centered on the screen to get a good image. While this is true with all LCD screens, we found the HP was a little more "forgiving" and had less obvious image deterioration if your eyes were not perfectly centered on the screen. The HP was nicer to view for someone seated beside you - viewing from an angle.
- The Samsung's monitor menu - to adjust settings right on the monitor - was not as nice as the HP's. The HP's menus have more to offer and are laid out nicer
- The Samsung, although it was very close, simply did not look as nice as the HP. That in the end, was the deciding factor.
So there we have it. Here's a few more points that I liked about the HP that I thought I'd mention. I liked the 2 USB ports on the HP monitor, they are very handy for plugging in cameras, gamepads, my cell-phone when I'm tranferring songs or my contacts list... a nice useful feature. The rotating screen is really kinda cool. Not sure that I'll use it much, but it's still really cool. Everyone who saw it exclaimed some version of "WOW". The very adjustable base (although large) is very nice to be able to set the monitor exactly how you like it.
CONCLUSION:
I kept the HP, and took the Samsung back to the store for a refund. It took me 2 weeks of testing, obsessing, and opinion gathering, but in the end my gut knew on day one that the HP just simply looked better. After all my testing, I am certain I have made the right choice. The HPw2207 is the most beautiful monitor on the market I have ever seen.
Hope you all find this review helpful!
Cheers, and good sailing!
Capt. H.M. MurdockUpdated
Well, after 2 months I am still super happy with my purchase. The monitor is truly incredible and I love it.
After re-reading my original reviews, I think I may have over-emphasized my concerns on how the HP displayed text. Just to be clear, and so that I don't give anyone the wrong idea, the HP displays text wonderfully. However, there are several "preset modes" in the monitor that set brightness, contrast, color balance and so on. With 3 of these modes (out of 5 available) it seems that HP overboosts some of the levels, which makes a "halo" effect when dark text is on a semi-dark background (ie: black text on grey backgnd...). So, I just don't use those presets. The other 2 presets look fantastic - every bit as good as the Samsung did. I just leave my monitor in the "CUSTOM" preset mode at all times and it's prefect for all uses with no compromise.
I am finding the HP to be VERY easy on the eyes, and indeed prefer it for everyday use. I strongly recommend it for anyone who spends alot of time staring at their screen like I do. -
"Its greatest strength and weakness are the same thing."
on by MontrosePros Even the dullest images appear brilliant and stunning.
Cons Even the dullest images appear brilliant and stunning.
Summary After using this monitor for about a month I have come to the conclusion that this monitor is both spectacularly good and at the same time spectacularly bad, and the reason for both is the same reason. This monitor is bright and gorgeous described by one rather articulate writer as "juicy." I'll throw in my 2 cents by agreeing with that statement. This monitor is juicy, and displays a wonderful image of almost any picture. There are three things that I use this monitor for, and for two of them it is excellent. For one use however, it is pretty bad.
First, I'm a gamer. In the gaming department this may be the best LCD I've ever seen, or is at least the best I've ever owned. Ghosting is minimal or non-existent, colors are vibrant and bright. Images are clear and crisp. Even non-native resolutions are handled well. This is a top-notch gaming LCD. Its true, water looks wet, fog looks cold, grass appears to be alive and looking directly into the virtual sun makes you squint.
Second, I use my PC as a Personal Video Recorder (PVR). For videos this LCD again is one of the best I've ever seen. It could almost pass for a plasma HD TV. Again, bright colors, and vibrant images. DVDs and HD TV look great. Movies come to life. I was surprised how dark of black this LCD can make. It almost looks like it could be a plasma.
Third, I use my PC for some Photoshop and image editing. This is where the monitors strength becomes its weakness. Because this monitor improves the visual quality of most images it becomes very difficult to get accurately displayed colors, brightness and contrast for images.
For example, one day was I creating some DvD jewel case labels. I got them looking just right and went to print them. They printed very dull and dark, the brightness/contrast was too low. And yet the image looked GREAT on my monitor. After a few prints that were too dull like this I moved the images on to an iMac. Sure enough, the images appeared as they were (dull and dark) on the Mac. The Mac gave me a better idea of how the images would actually print.
My conclusion: An average user cannot go wrong with this monitor. What user wouldn't want a monitor that brightens up every image it displays? A graphic designer however, may want to consider that color replication on this monitor is difficult to achieve. Yes it can be done but its an uphill battle and the included software does not help (do not install it).
As a last note, I did install the monitor drivers (note: JUST THE DRIVER, not the HP management software) and it did help to improve the overall image, especially text and it caused no problems. VGA or DVI connections seem to make very little or no difference to image quality. Both look great. -
"I'm taking mine back"
on by excelguruPros Big, bright, inexpensive
Cons Software!!!, color rendering/fade
Summary I bought mine yesterday and spent several HOURS trying to get it "right" last night.
The editors at CNET harped briefly about the "HP MyDisplay" software, but they didn't harp quite enough. Maybe it's better if you're running Vista, but you know what? Most people aren't running Vista. I use XP and the software was so troublesome that I uninstalled it and downloaded the latest one from the website. That wouldn't work either, so I eventually uninstalled it gave up on the software completely.
One of the more aggrivating bugs involves the fact that the software WILL NOT set the monitor's resolution to its maximum settings despite having a beautifully-rendered little button on the screen to do so. Click that pretty little button all you want. Your resolution won't change. If I can't take advantage of the resolution, then what's the point?
And after you run through the software once and try to use it again later, nothing works at all!!!! You can move that little contrast slider all you want. Your contrast won't change.
Okay, so the software sucks. I'll just use the manual buttons to operate the OSD, right? Nope. Apparently the OSD conflicts with the software and the OSD menu disappears almost immediately after you access it (less than one second). After I uninstalled the software for good, the OSD worked fine. (sigh)
So I eventually used my Gretag Macbeth Eye-1 monitor calibrator (which I love) to get the colors right. But wait... what's this? When the screen is viewed straight-on (not at an angle), the top of the screen is darker than the bottom. In other words, it fades gradually from top to bottom. This will not be a big deal to most users and can be ignored if you just want a big pretty monitor. But for those of us who do serious photographic editing on our computers (e.g. for money), this fault is absolutely NOT acceptable. Not by a long shot.
Because of the inability to utilize the maximum resolution settings, I have to use the 1280x1024 option available in Windows. The 1600x1200 setting is outiside the monitor's cabaility and results in a remarkably annoying error message that stays in the center of your screen indefinitely until you change the resolution settings back.
So with the 1280x1024 resolution, if you choose to fill the screen, everything gets stretched. Circles look like ovals. Squares looks like rectagles. This may not be a big deal unless, again, you just happen to derive income from editing photographs. Not cool. Not cool at all. If that darn "preferred resolution" button would work...
So to prevent the distortion, you can use the OSD to squeeze the aspect ratio back to "normal", but then why bother having the wide monitor?
(sigh) I'll return mine tomorrow for a refund. I hope all this ranting proves useful for some of you. -
"Perfect Size, Resoln, Brightness, Vid Quality for PC Monitor."
on by coolkeyPros Ideal Size, Resolution and Quality for software developers and PC users.
Cons Not much, except would have liked 1080p support and a slightly better View angle in portrait mode.
Summary Hi,
I work for a LCD monitor chip company and know what actually goes into these monitors. And for the first time i am convenced to say this is the prefect PC monitor.
I wanted a bigger monitor to do by software coding comfortably, i have tried (in-fact programmed) a number of different monitors of various sizes and Panel Resolution and this is perfect in both aspects, any bigger you have to turn you head quiet a bit. Any more brighter and your eye would get tried in about an hour.
I tired the 24 inch LG 1900 x 1200 resolution, it has the newer S-IPS technology panel so gives better view again in both landscape and portrait mode. But the Color are too artificially lot of color banding artifact and photos look really ugly. Even with my experise on adjusting video quality, LG was really bad.
I have tried Samsung monitors too.. but sucks same as LG, but with TN panel so slightly less viewing again and less expensive.
Mind you the 1680 x 1050 resolution of Hp was not my first choice infact hp was not even in my radar. but i was seriously looking for higher resolution portrait display panel so that i can see big chunks of code in one screen. so i thought 1900 x 1200 (which is the current easily affordable highest resolution) was the right one, but after much experimentation the Hp 2207 1680 x 1050 was the ideal resolution and size for comfortable viewing and coding for hours. the 1900 thou can fit in lot more pixel looks very small and will strain your eye easily. So for resolution 1680 x 1050 is the right one.
The Brightness is right too, i have worked in video quality field for some time and discussed with collegues too, 250 to 300 cd/m2 is the ideal brightness for monitor for long time viewing, Any higher your eye will strain, infact you need higher brightness only when your are at less 6 to 10 feet away from display and watch a video. Not for programming. Hp 2207 panel is actually very bright , so i had to reduce it to 50% level, The control is good and precise unlike LG 24 and Samsung (just take my word for it the way they control brightness is important and Hp does a good job, compared to LG and Samsung).
Overall for the first time as i mentioned i am very happy with this monitor and will positively recommended to any PC users.even gamers. Its THE RIGHT SIZE AND RESOLUTION AND BRIGHTNESS AND QUALITY period!!!.
Few nice features, the controls are simple and good enough (not too much, not too little, its just right). The OSD rotates in portrait mode. The Stand and tilt ajustment is wonderful and smooth (best i have seen so far).
Few improvements desired: it does not support 1080i or 1080p resolution out of my PS3. Since the Panel is TN type, the viewing angle in portrait mode can be made better. but Landscape mode is good enough. -
"Wow! Computer & Xbox 360 graphics are top notch"
on by moond22Pros Excellent & flexible resolution; crisp, clear images; awesome with Xbox 360 (altough native resolution is 1680x1050, montior auto adjusts to the 2nd best resolution on Xbox)
Cons Outside of Photo setting, Quickview factory settings are bland. However, can easily implement custom setting
Summary I've postponed switching to LCD for years because I found the technology of the CRT screens was better. In fact, I still cannot stand the LCD monitor I have at work. I just bought the w2207 to use on my new 410 XPS Dell computer and my Xbox360 and it is an absolute dream. I was torn between comparable models by Dell and Viewsonic, but I have absolutely no regrets about purchasing the HP w2207. Unlike the Dell & Viewsonic, I feel that the HP has, or dang close to, the sharp contrast of a CRT but now it's in high definition. HD computer images are absolutely amazing on this monitor. I should note that because of reading other reviews on this site I have not install the HP software on Windows Vista. (At the moment, Vista is a moderate headache by itself, so I wasn't about to make things more complicated.) I also can't see how the software could really make the monitor better. There are plenty of menu options to make adjustments if one would desire. Gamers will also be quite satisfied. I personally find the screen to be rather huge, but I am only sitting 3 feet away from it. I'm also unaffected by the other complaint by a prior reviewer that the top of the screen is darker than the bottom. However, the reviewer did claim a unique use of professional image art.
Overall, if this monitor caught your eye, rest assured that you won't be disappointed. I shopped for 2 months dreading that I'd end up dropping $350 on something I be slightly disappointed in. For once I feel that an electronic device I bought was actually worth it.
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