Windows Vista Beta 1 - Windows

User Rating: 1/10

vista sucksby mavincentma - March 5, 2008

Pros: no idea why it is good

Cons: Really sucks!

Review: I'm a computer big fan and I think Vista really sucks!!!!

User Rating: 2/10

Pretty bad...by the2ndfloodofgod - July 9, 2007

Pros: It looks nice?

Cons: Overly complicated, not at all user friendly, annoying pop up Confirmation Window comes up all of the time, slow loading time, easy shortcuts are gone.

Review: Okay, right off the bat I have been using this for two months now. Not a long time, but long enough. And I know Pro-Microsoft users and workers will come out and bash me for a poor review, and that is okay. This is MY review.

The 1st thing I noticed when I went to use Vista is it's slow loading time. I purchased a brand new Dell laptop; which is more powerful then my home PC; and XP loads faster on my older computer then Vista on my new. I understand why, but it is still annoying, when Vista was suppose to be faster. The 2nd is how much more complicated Windows Vista is over every other Windows platform. The easy to find shortcuts are gone. It takes a longtime to hunt down all of the settings to get them back. Which basically comes from having to set it back to the Classic view; which then removes the options for some of the more advanced shortcut and other cool features. This is a stupid change, because your new users will never be able to fully figure it out.

The number 1, all-time, most horrible feature is the Confirmation Window. Which comes up every single time you change or delete anything. If you delete a picture, the window pops up; if you change a setting, the window pops up; if a new software application is trying to update itself or you goto install manually, it will pop up. This gets so mega old, so mega fast!I had to search Google to find a way to shut it off. If there was no way, I would have sent the laptop back A.S.A.P!! At least I finally understand that Apple computer commercial! "Accept or deny?"

The overall system is bad. I heard about Vista years and years ago back when it was code named "Long Horn". Vista was suppose to change the world; much like how Windows 95 brought us out of the text-based world of DOS. So after the long wait, Vista has turned into a overly complicated, non-user friendly, overpriced and over-hyped OS. Now don't get me wrong, it is not the worst OS out there; and I normally love Microsoft products. I own the Zune, a Sprint Mogul, all kinds of their products. I just really, really hate Vista.

So basically, if you have XP, then a DO NOT UPGRADE! It's not worth the aggravation.

Now, let the bashing of my review begin!!!!

Updated
My 2 month old Dell has slowed down to a crawl. Vista wants to take it's sweet time loading EVERYTHING! I know that is the nature of a computer, but ****! It takes 4 months to load a video clip or image. 12 months to turn on and restart the computer. So many programs are not compatibility with Vista, so your out of luck. Microsoft doesn't care, they don't even both with good updates, just the same-old security updates. And have you ever asked for help from Microsoft directly? If you can even understand the rep, they don't have a clue.
And like Windows ME (Which WAS the worst Microsoft OS), Vista will undelete files you deleted and delete other files without your permission. I can't tell you how many times I have downloaded a file and it just disappeared!
Not to mention that Microsoft wants to know EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU! Every clip and movie that you watch, every image you view, anything and everything they can use to single you out. Windows is just one big spyware program and you just can't stop it. Disable one spyware app, and Windows just starts a new one.

I so badly want XP back, but at $300! I might as well buy another new laptop for that price! So I am stuck with either using Apple, which sucks and is not supported; or using Lunix, which is even less supported; or using Windows which has always and will always suck! What horrible choices!

User Rating: 7/10

Wait another year to buy if you have to upgradeby fred123 - March 10, 2007

Pros: Nice userinterface.Solid OS

Cons: Uses to much computer resources.Hardware and Software compatablity issues

Review: My biggest complaint is that many software application will not function with this version.That means spending more money for vista compatable software.Then many companies didn't release hardware drivers that work with Vista.Here is an example.I have brand new computer .There is an onboard sound on the motherboard.I can not get the proper vista drivers that work correctly.I went to the sound card manufacturer's website but their vista drivers don't work the way they suppose to..I can not get the front speakers to work.There are also other hardware issues that I am having .PC Gamers will have game compatabilty problems with some games and some hardware . Don't get me wrong most hardware and many programs do work.I have to admit ,the vista OS seems very solid and the user interface looks great but it does use extra memory and resource .I also like ,if the computer crashes and you can't boot up ,by placing the vista Boot DVD into your cd-dvd drive when the computer starts . There are options to fix and repair errors so you will be able to boot up and start vista.Also another gripe I have it consumes alot of memory compared to XP.As far as the user interface.You can have the same vista look in XP if you install vista theme skins or by using Window Blinds . If you are a pc gamer there is alienware theme manager(alienGUIse) that you can download free and only works with Xp.Then there is :that everything you do the Vista OS asks for permissions.I am the only person that uses my computer and I have adminstration rights and some folders and files are locked and none accessible.Most people use computers at home or workplace where they are the only user.All that security is just not necessary.Other thing which I dislike about Microsoft operating systems in general they keep making new OS's just to make more money.An OS should last a least 7-8 years before making a newer version.Anyways the bottom line before you buy think twice.I uninstalled the vista OS and went back to XP using a different user interface theme and my onboard sound card works correctly

User Rating: 3/10

Not well designedby EEaglefan - February 20, 2007

Pros: security opt.

Cons: memory hog, cant upload music off CD, Gaming is horrible

Review: TRASH.... The gameplay is slower than the original playstation. You cannot upload music files from a CD. Linux is the only way to go unless you have an affinity for Mr. Gates wherein you should use Windows 2000

User Rating: 3/10

why I cannot buy vistaby paul94501 - August 1, 2006

Pros: it will bring windows in line with the competition albeit late

Cons: it won't let me copy my mp3 to my ipod

Review: The main reason why I'm going back to windows XP. I cannot copy my mp3 files over to my Ipod!. I couldn't beleive Microsoft did this, apparently it includes a new DRM (digital rights management system) ?Microsoft's RMS (Rights Management Services) client. That way I know when I buy music or videos off the Web, I know Microsoft will make sure that I can't illegally back it up or put it on an iPod or anything else like that. It's so nice of them to make sure I can only use the files that I bought on real Vista systems.

There's also this spiffy driver protection plan. With it, I know that any equipment I buy has to come from a vendor who has made a deal with Microsoft. I certainly wouldn't want to buy a network or graphics card from someone who doesn't have a contract with Microsoft. My network drive doesn't work now!

So I'm going to eventually buy another computer but it can't be running vista ; it really pisses me off. They said it would make my life easier but all it has done si make it more difficult to connect to my ipod and my network drive! I'll suvice using XP fro a few years I hope I can continue using PCs cos I build my own and itscheaper to upgrade. I'd love an apple but they are too expensive and I can't build one myself and buy new mother boards every few years. arghhhhhh

User Rating: 1/10

Yeah...Don't buy this.by cyberneticsolutions - June 24, 2006

Pros: It's... got a calculator... and a clock?

Cons: Often buggy, crashes a lot, the tiniest thing can make windows go to pieces.

Review: After using MS products for well over a decade, i find that the whole "user-friendly" motif of windows have been exchanged for shiny buttons and other bells and whistles. The old saying stands, "You can't polish a turd." take this into consideration on your next build, Gates.

User Rating: 4/10

Oh My It doesn't workby lakephillip - June 13, 2006

Pros: Potential Graphics, and Layout

Cons: Nothing works.

Review: I do not like being bombarded, and Windows Vista bombarded me with requests for permission to start, to open, to proceed. It became a real hassle just to get to my desktop. Threre is an option to be notified, or not be notified, but the option to be or not being notified was non-operational. Of course I realize this is a beta, but come on, nothing, and I mean nothing was compatible with Windows XP. I did the upgrade version of Vista Beta 2, and All but 3 programs supposedley loaded w/o problem.
My bank wouldn't support the "out of date" browser, so I used Firefox for Vista.
Three DVD players on my machine, not to mention
Media Center, and this OS wouldn't play a DVD.
Nero crashed before finalizing discs several times.
Everytime I opened IE I got an error: MapFile1:
Access Denied
Media Center is SSSLOW Choppy, and frustrating.
Windows XP was never this bad even pre-SP1.
MS has a lot of work to do by 1/07 if they expect people to pay $279+ for new OS.

User Rating: 1/10

A Windows by any other name is just as badby vistaiscrap - June 12, 2006

Pros: Beautiful... JUST like Tiger. Easy navigation, attractive animations, so many goodies (again... just like Tiger)

Cons: Plagued by the evil albatross that will hang for years to come around its neck, "Explorer"

Review: Yes...well the problem is that no matter how nice the body, the dashboard or spinning hubcaps the point of an OS (like a car) isn't bling bling it is getting from here to there.

My opinion: It's not so much that it's "too little, too late", it's that it's the wrong answer to the question PC users have been screaming in the direction of Hwy. 520, "Can you make an OS that works?"

The average customer who knows little about the reasons (excuses) why Windows seems eternally plagued by spyware, security holes, viruses, etc. could care less. They are aging baby boomers who hear the taunts of their kids and grandkids who own Macs and finally break down because all of the reasons that PC Wintel freaks have given for not buying a Mac have broken down (including the hardware... read: Mactel) My parents bought an iMac with wireless keyboard and mouse. One cord... a power cord. Whatever problems their Mac has is minimal compared to their rotting PC. No, a mac running Tiger isn't perfect but my father knows that computers like cars have problems. He also understands that you shouldn't have to be a mechanic to operate a car and keep it running. It shouldn't be in the shop every week. It's nice if it's pretty and fun but it should operate reliably and consistently. Microsoft has established a track record of unreliablity, gaping security holes. With each new OS, the voices from Redmond cry out that they have plugged the ****... oops. Like a mother who learns to tune out her screaming toddler in the grocery store we are learning to ignore those declarations.
Whether or not Vista is the answer or not doesn't matter. On the outside it is Tiger tweaked and warmed over.
Admittedly, I'm not nearly as technically savvy as other reviewers here. What I DO know is marketing. Microsoft is losing the war with new computer buyers who are afraid of being shackled with issues such as hijacks, spying and viruses. Sexy people buy Macs because Macs are sexy (watch any movie with a computer in it). Kids like it because it's different than their parents boring PC. And now, seniors like it because it's easy and relatively trouble-free. I like it and a lot of other people as well because it works well (and it's cool and sexy which doesn't hurt)

Marketing is about perception and the biggest mistake Microsoft has made is introducing a sexier OS when people who own PC's and aren't savvy just want something that works. (By the way... the definition of a computer that "works" means one that you don't have to babysit and coninually add security updates to, hire the "Geeksquad" to fix and wring your hands over whether someone has hijacked you and is at this moment sipping Pina Coladas in the Caribbean at your expense). But then again, savvy people want that too. I guess somebody at Microsoft forgot to tell their Marketing department what people really want from their PC - not bling but something that fires on all cylinders.

User Rating: 7/10

My review on vista beta 1by alex288288 - March 20, 2006

Pros: The interface

Cons: Hard drive space

Review: well. I guess everyone know's about Vista or "longhorn" and I for one give mirosoft a pat on the back. So far they are on the right track. but I have heard alot of blab about them ripping off MAC OS. now im not a MAC fan but from what I can tell this is a good thing
Many users like the new interface.

As for the programs vista comes with. im dissapointed right now ....I was expecting at least WMP11 . but I guess not in this beta.

The interface is actually not bad. I like the way they have it all organized and the way they put the Start menu. Clever idea actually.

when I first got my windows XP back in 2001 or so. I was like WOW!This is grsat! . and I thought they would not be able to make a better windows OS..guess I was wrong. lol.

Now the requirements for this beast of and operating system are a little wild from what I was looking at you need at least
1.5GHZ cpu
512RAM -1024 recommended
4-8GB hard drive space
G-force FX 5200 or better

Thats insane!! alot of games dont even require that much power. well i will be ready for it when its realeasd

when i first went to install this , i was kinda mad when they didnt give any specs of whats happening to my system . but when i seen there was only 2....yea...2 steps in the installion ,I was a little bit happier.

Anyways. just want to give my feed on this "interesting" operating system

"im probally going to kick my self stupid for saying this but "good job microsoft!" "

User Rating: 5/10

Mac OS X vs. Vista... STIUPIDby vpign001 - March 16, 2006

Pros: Looks good, has good features

Cons: Nothing innovative

Review: Vista looks pretty good -- definitely an improvement over XP. The features that they modeled after Mac OS X (as well Google, and Yahoo!) are good features. What is so wrong with adding good features to an OS? The only real problem is that there is very little innovation. If Microsoft wanted to shake its reputation of producing cheap (but widely used) operating systems, they needed something novel.

As for the Apple vs. Microsoft debate, anyone that is so brand loyal is only doing a disservice to themselves and others by supporting features that do not benefit either. In terms of securuity and stability, XP had more problems because of larger market share and inherent problems in the operating system (and they are in no particular order) -- go figure, it's a little bit of both!

User Rating: 9/10

Change is goodby pfunkman - February 26, 2006

Pros: Very nice interface

Cons: its microsoft so expect to mortgage your house to buy it on release date

Review: over all i had alot of fun beta testing this OS its real easy on the eyes. as far as some people whining about virus prtection ETC. i dont think that microsoft should even be responsible for it, they dont write the viruses etc. and if it wernt for the scumbags that do we wouldnt need any security in our systems. you wouldnt expect your car company to take the fall because some jerk smashed your window out would ya? or because a mechanic messes something up you wouldnt say well ford should make that part un breakable. so i think its nice that they have done what they have. it sucks but dont blame microsoft blame the people that make the crap.

and as for bobman dont pay attention to him hes dyslexic or something but he obviously cant read. why come to a review page for a BETA and get all mad at people reviewing it becuase the retail release isnt out yet?

User Rating: 5/10

Good but XP is betterby nmascar - February 14, 2006

Pros: Not Available

Cons: Not Available

Review: I downloaded beta 2 to try out on my PC. first, it was easier to install. that was a pro. some cons are that it was hard to use and confusing. a major drawback is that ir requieres too much from your pc. i installed it on a brand new 80GB ATA Hdd and it was slow to install and run. My pc has 1GB DDR Ram, a Celeron D 2.93GHz overclocked to 3.08GHz and a Nvidia 5500GPU with 256MB DDR ram. on this pc it used 500 MB ram on startup and u useage never went belo 75%. Overall i like the OS but it needs A LOT of work.

User Rating: 2/10

Linux wanna be at bestby infaa001 - January 11, 2006

Pros: Weak at best, a Knock off, feel cheated

Cons: LINUX / UNIX / OSX already had it MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO.

Review: Looks and feels like a cheap, utterly difficult unstable version of the first experiments of Gnome or KDE. Cheap linux knock off. Animations just a bad imitation taken from OSX. More hardware required and not enough support for older hardware support. Would not shell out more than 10 bucks for it, I'd rather dload linux for free if I have to deal with sooo many hware compatibility issues. Hope Beta2 is much better. Definetely not worth the 5+ year wait...

User Rating: 3/10

When will the guys show some insight ??by JOHNPI - January 11, 2006

Pros: They´ve spent a fair amount of time studying Mac OS

Cons: Not really new, shamful uggghhh !

Review: Come on guys,

Latest version of windows is only giving the idea that nothing really new can be achieved on an operative system. Instead of comming up with new ideas, (which I think customers usually expect and deserve to benefit from), they spend several months or probably years wasting their time on looking for ways to copy somebody else´s ideas, (it´s not the first time on microsoft´s part).

Probably, they may also come up with an ipod with an orange (or whatever looks like the orginal logo) stuck on the back too !

User Rating: 10/10

THE BEST OS EVER!!!by master_jackson - January 10, 2006

Pros: Windows media player 11, IE 7...

Cons: You will need a good computer or it will be slow. At least 512 mb of ram and 2 ghz of speed

Review: I got this OS by downloading in the web. This is a really good OS! I really like the windows media player 11. And by downloading. I also got the keygen/crack for the activation!!! Never buy software or psp games from stores, just download them!

User Rating: 9/10

Vista is great!!!by gtf429 - December 20, 2005

Pros: Excellent new built in apps and media center capabilities

Cons: does require alot more out of you computer (ie memory)

Review: First, to anyone who really wants intelligent reviews I have two pieces of advice: (1) dont listen to these anti-microsoft losers. they wouldnt care if microsoft solved world hunger, made everyone rich, and ended all wars. (2) wait until its released and then check out the full version reviews. Beta versions will always have bugs.

As to my opinion, I think Vista has an enormous amount of potential and Microsoft seems to be headed on the right track.

User Rating: 1/10

It's Windows, period.by fish04 - November 6, 2005

Pros: Hopefull won't have as many security threats

Cons: its windows

Review: Unless this version of windows is written from the ground up, I doubt it will end up being much better than XP. Sure it may have some new features but the overall experience for the end user will be just as bad as its predecessor.

User Rating: 8/10

A new windows... Finallyby eddloggg - October 31, 2005

Pros: It has to be better than XP

Cons: Its Microsoft

Review: I sit back and read all of this Mac vs. Windows bull. For the past 10 years, i have worked on both systems. windows xp had just way to much filler, and mac os was just basic. i like the simplicity of mac os, and the features were there if you needed them. but it is great for me to see that Microsoft is revamping again. it seems as if this version may make it to where my transition from my main Apple machine to my secondary windows machine may be easy due to a similar set up.

i use mac everyday for audio engineering. they truely are more for the creative class. the programs i use are only for mac, or have many more features. i have to use my Windows machine for one program that is only for windows.

i have owned 5 macs in my life, from the Mac SE al the way to my G5. I have owned 2 windows machines, both built for me 5 years ago and last year. my windows machine isnt so bad, i was just a mac boy form the beginning

User Rating: 9/10

You whingers!!!by mbayliss - October 30, 2005

Pros: Looks pretty cool. Nice GUI and other handy features

Cons: be nice to have WinFS.. sure we can live without it

Review: And for those who given negative reviews about for Windows Vista. Well consider:
A) Windows is on 90% of the PC Market World Wide. Therefore windows are more of target for Virus and Exploits.. Imagine Macs OS X on covering 90% of the market.. You still be whinging!! Oh wait I forgot your PERFECT!!!
B) Open Source. Go and pay **** load of money when you need help with the product!!
C) Any release of OS that comes out in the near Future is going to need a faster computer - REALLY!! For those who give lame reviews!!! Think before you write!!!

User Rating: 5/10

Searching???by Techman66 - October 30, 2005

Pros: New searching funcitonality

Cons: Hardware cost.

Review: Ok, Vista has some new features, which includes new searching capabilites, plugging the holes, and looks pretty. Did we need a new OS for that or is everyone forgetting where they put their files? Did we forget when Steven Ballmer, VP at Microsoft was complaining about the cost of hardware? How do we reduce the cost of hardware, when the hardware requirements increase, everytime they release a new OS. Am I missing something?

User Rating: 10/10

Hey this isn't the latest build! Got get the new 5231!by mjeelani - October 30, 2005

Pros: 5231 rocks!

Cons: none, vista rocks!

Review: Hey - i'm surprised to see a review of Beta 1 build review on Cnets homepage - when Microsoft has released two newer builds after this (5219 - a.k.a PDC Build) and the latest CTP Build 5231 - why n the world is cnet putting up a review on a older build on the home page i wonder? Guys go get 5231 - it Rocks!

User Rating: 7/10

End All - Vista vs OSX (Objective Look)by utopiaman99 - October 30, 2005

Pros: Innovative Software Engines, Hardware Handling, Usability

Cons: No WinFS, Oversimplified Interface Features

Review: 1 - The New Windows is NOT stolen ideas from Mac OSX recoded and redistributed. Though many MAC users would love to believe this it is simply untrue. People want what they want and each Operating System manufacturer has the right to implement this in any way. Most features in OSX and Vista aren't even original to either (e.g Widgets, Desktop Search, Sidebar were all originally 3rd party pieces of software). Before you say something is stolen do a little more research about the origins of software, before it is adopted by Apple or MS. Also, don't forget that Mac OSX is simply a glorified a.k.a STOLEN implementation of FreeBSD - a fact little known to most MAC users.

2 - No Windows is not the most secure operating system. To that end neither is OSX. If you want network and internet security, use Linux....period. As for spyware, adware, and malware - that is at best an antiquated risk. Antivirus programs and antispyware programs utilize negligible system resources at this point and despite my 'agressive' use of the internet I have not had a single problem with Viruses or Adware on my windows machine for over a Year. To date MAC had an advantage in that its security architecture was better integrated into the OS and not external (amazing given MAC's moneymaking strategies). However Vista hopes to close this gap. However, it is the security issue that has caused me to dock 1 of the 2 points from this operating system.

3 - Compatability and Usability. MAC simply does not have the reverse compatability and 3rd party software database that Windows has. As far as usability goes - yes, MACs are easier and more straightforward to use. However, there is absolutely no way to tweak your OSX to preform how you PERSONALLY want it to. While this is an excellent feature for intro users and non-computer professionals, it becomes a problem at my level. I want to be able to set up my OS to respond how I want it to. Conclusion - if you dont want to bother understanding what is going on and just use an OS with limited features that 'works' go for OSX. However, if you want to sacrifice a little bit of this prestructured proprietary setup for professional software configuration and utilization Windows just can't be beat.

4 - The Crashing Issue. I own 2 macs and 4 PCs and this is what I have to say. I put XP on a PC 3.5 years ago, set it up as a print server/file server that also handles various rendering tasks, put it in my basement, and let it run. Other than Power Outages in my neighborhood its stability was 100%. Currently I am using a laptop with WinXP SP2 on it and running at least 10-15 different apps at the same time. In just over 4 months I have had 1 issue where a video-encoding program crashed because its interface was incompatible with Stardock WindowsBlinds, which I had installed to test out at the time. Other than this NOTHING - NO RANDOM RESTARTS, NO FREEZES, NO PROGRAM NOT-RESPONSIVENESS, NO NETWORKING FAILURES, NO CRASHES. The new Vista has improved Stability even more. Stop using this as an argument against Windows.

5 - More on Stability - With special attention given to the hard drive. Okay, in this category MACs just win. Their desktop search metadate and file system is simply efficient and amazing. NTFS with its ridiculous File Tables and file management system was absurdly slow and ineffiecient. The simple fact that fragmentation can cause a failure in a filesystem is unacceptable. Vista, which was supposed to be released witht he new WinFS was redesigned, for now, to work with a glorified NTFS. Until WinFS is released thats -1 for MS, I'm certain the experts would agree.

6 - Interface. With OSX the computer user was exposed to a more integrated, far reaching, and efficient interface. Why windows still hasn't developed a launching/application management mechanism faster than the taskbar/startbar is beyond me. The new Sidebar, more than anything, is a visual distraction. I am disappointed with the shortsighted banality of the MS Vista Interface, another -1 Microsoft.

7 - Hardware Management (Video). The new Longhorn Graphics Driver standard is exactly what the industry needs. Finally, a company has realized and implemented every videophiles dream - lossless scalability. Way to go Microsoft. Say goodbye to the pixel.

8 - Software Engines - I will wait until I have become more experienced with Indigo, Avalon, etc. to fully judge these but as far as I see there is little, if anything to complain about. It can handle everything an application/productivity developer ever wanted to see.

User Rating: 10/10

Windows, One of the best ..........by PaynEnterprise - October 30, 2005

Pros: Lots of new features on the way..........

Cons: none yet...

Review: Macs are not easy to use for people. I use to work for apple before I moved on to a better high paying job. Most issues I would resolve everyday went from where to connect the mouse to how to uninstall applications. And apple like any other company do steal ideas, it comes down to who?s going to patented it first and get paid for it. The issue is the Mac OSX freeze as much as any OS with the type 2, 11 and other error messages most apple techs can?t answer. It was fun for most of the techs on Fridays working for apple, that day was called erase and restore day. So if any person called up regardless the issue it was ease and restore.. OK lets move on, now for system antivirus software, and anti spyware installed.. Yes Mac does get viruses. Working as a Network Admin for a graphics company in San Mateo, CA supporting 400+ Mac users networked in a PC environment ..Apple do get viruses not as many viruses as windows pc?s, that?s because Windows own like 95% of the computer market and hacker?s write viruses for fame so of course most viruses out there are written for windows. And ok I have not seen anti spyware installed on a apple computer yet.
OK next..
Manipulating the OS, Yes there is more manipulating and configuration in windows because you can do more with that OS then OSX. A person can change the way the cd drive response or how an application opens, all the way down to modifying the OS or even hardware drivers to suet that particular person needs.. OSX will not let you do much of that or even any of it. Apple put you in this little box and keep you there. As far as the design from each OS that can be always modified by add-ons/plug-ins from any website..CNET have some great ones. Crashes, freezes, disk fragmentation, forced reboots is something that both windows and apple OS have a issue with. Supporting both platforms for a little over 7 years now not much have change.
OK next.
Gaming, XBOX 360, sorry but windows got that hands down .. (apple cant touch this!!)

OK next.
Hardware.. Apple hardware is pretty good with Two dual-core 2.5GHz , 512MB, 250GB drive and a Gforce 6600 with 256MB Nice!! A lot better than what a was supporting when I was working for them?Will now any thing to can do , I can do better, I can do everything better than you? Most gamers I come across today have dual Pentium Processor Extreme 3.6Ghz Edition with 1.5 Gb of ram 300GB harddrives with a Gforce 7800 all in a Mid tower, half the size and half the price for what apple is asking for? Oh ya job?s saying apple perform much more efficiently than a pc..ha! ha! and yet he?s using Photoshop software ,,apple owns adode and that?s pretty much the only software out there that?s going to run ok on a mac. Business applications, database software, networking appls and any other gaming software will smoke a apple by far. And if you live in the bay area bring the T.V crew because I got a PC to proof it.

User Rating: 1/10

It is junkby RH2088 - October 30, 2005

Pros: Nothing...

Cons: Ram Memory.

Review: This new version is a piece of junk! It needs about 328 mb of ram memory to install it! I prefer Windows 98! But if you only look for the colors, fine, go and buy this new version that works like Windows 98 except that it has more errors!

User Rating: 2/10

Another mediocre product...by thunderstruck1 - October 23, 2005

Pros: Um... The folder icons look cool.

Cons: Everything except the folder icons.

Review: The whole thing where it shows a preview of the accual file instead of an icon was already done. It does that on ubuntu linux and I think other linux distros

Basically when people finally realise they cant download music because vista will be packed full of DRM they will switch to linux, or OSX.

Plus the whole spyware thing. And dont forget viruses.

Ill pass on this one. The monster system requirements are another thing

If I HAVE to use windows for anything, it'll be 2000 pro.

User Rating: 10/10

REALLY GREAT OS!by johncriley - October 23, 2005

Pros: It is Windows, better security, cooler interface, better stability.

Cons: None so far

Review: This OS is great. I have used it and it is great. All you Mac people, think about switching back. I hate to tell you but, MAC OS STINKS!!

User Rating: 5/10

Should I upgrade? Tell me!by adonn78 - October 18, 2005

Pros: Lots of feature, photogph icons looks nice

Cons: Extremely high system requirements.

Review: Why should I upgrade from XP to Vista? Visat has such high graphics and system requirements. Sure it looks nice and is better organized. As for security features those will be hacked and cracked after a good 6 months. Just like XP it is no more secure. It will most likely cut my PC's speed in half and I see no point in upgrading. I will get Vista when I buy a new computer. I care more about my gaming performance then how the icons in windows looks. I can create my own icons for folders and make them look pretty.

User Rating: 6/10

Jeez, WinXP is not THAT bad!!!!by Pontius Pilate - October 18, 2005

Pros: Everything has it's problems

Cons: OSX, WinXP, even that brand new Mercedes

Review: I love reading these arguments between Mac and Windows users, it's just so freaking hysterical. Mac OS is better...no Windows is better, blah blah blah.

Look, I'm a heavy computer user, though not a complete geek. I use my computer at work (Win XP) for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I access the internet, use basic office applications, use Gimp for image editing here and there (nothing too heavy), and I run some trading software (I work in a brokerage house).

Then I go home to my WinXP machine (SP1) and do everything from watching porn to cruising the web (Firefox). I record music (Sonar Producer 3 with an Alesis Firewire sound card) on my computer. I'm currently mixing down a band's demo where some of the songs have 32 tracks going with effects. This would have been UNHEARD of until the past 5 or so years. I watch DVDs, listen to music, rip CD's, sync to my Creative Zen Touch MP3 player, etc. I access the internet via wireless, as well as through an ethernet cable.

I've been doing this for years, and jesus christ it's not that difficult. Yes, I have had my computer crash, obviously. Big whoop. How often does it really happen? If I'm doing some really intense work with my music software, maybe I'll crash once a week (but then again, some of my software is bootleg hehehe). Again, big whoop. I save my work very frequently, which is good practice anyway, Windows or Mac. Especially when people are paying you for your time.

Now, I bought my computer used for $600 including a 15" flatscreen monitor. It's a custom built, P4 2.8mhz, with 512 MB RAM, 128 MB video card. I got a great price admittedly, but I think I could have assembled it myself for let's say $1200. My friend, who does video work, bought an Apple G5. It was the latest model out as of something like 6 months ago. He got the whole video package including Final Cut Pro and so on. If I'm not mistaken, he spent close to $3000.

Now don't get me wrong, his computer looks beautiful. It better for 3 grand. And OSX admittedly does have a sleek look to it, might be easier to navigate, and might even give you a "happy ending" when you're done using it. But it's not all that.

My friend constantly busts my chops over how crappy Windows is, and how often it crashes. But the truth is, it DOESN'T crash that often, though it does happen admittedly. So my friend buys this G5, and right away, problem after problem. Crashes to the point that he has to constantly pull the power plug out. He sends it back for servicing (and btw, Apple has a horrible and expensive customer service setup), and it turns out that there was a defect in some piece of hardware. They replaced it, no big deal, and now his computer runs "perfectly", according to him. And I don't blame them for a hardware issue, it happens to every company. Anyway, according to my friend, no problems whatsoever, ever. Period. Unless, of course, I come over. Which I did 3 days ago, with a video that I wanted to show him. I downloaded this video (no, not porn), and burned a disk. It was an AVI file. Threw it in his computer, and Quicktime launches, and won't play. I guess he doesn't have the right codec. So we go to the Quicktime site and attempt to download the latest version. Then all hell breaks loose. He can't quit programs, can't eject my disk, etc. So he forces things down, eventually manages to restart his computer, but still can't play this simple video clip (though he managed to eject the disk). We said "the hell with it" and went to a friend's house, who has like a $50 eMachines or something. Video plays no problem. Several months ago, after he had his computer fixed, he was working on a video project. When I came over, he wanted to show it to me, and of course his computer crashed then too. Does it happen often? No. But does it NEVER happen, hell no. Even though he says it never happens, I personally watched his $3000 computer crash twice, and I'm not over his house very often.

Also, I worked at another job two years ago or so, where we did all our video editing on Windows machines. No problems. There was a graphic designer in the house that had the company's only Mac. It was also the latest machine at the time, I believe it was a dual G4 or G5. Huge, beautiful monitor. Constant crashes. Not sure what his issue was.

So long story short, yes Windows has it's issues, but I don't want to hear this BS that OSX never crashes. I also don't want to hear that BS that Windows constantly crashes. You might have issues here and there, but it depends what you're doing with your machine. Don't blame viruses on Windows, blame it on the morons who create the viruses. Should Windows be better prepared? You bet. But as is, Windows works. With people actively trying to break it, of course they're going to succeed some of the time.

User Rating: 1/10

-10 to CNET for objectivityby kestrel3 - October 18, 2005

Pros: Not applicable

Cons: Not applicable

Review: I give CNET -10 for objectivity. Why? How can CNET be objective in their review of a Windows product when the preview video is sponsored by Microsoft?

User Rating: 9/10

Makes me laugh tooby outdateboy - October 18, 2005

Pros: Richer visualization

Cons: Higher machine requirement

Review: I just read iMac G5 is copying the Microsoft's idea of Media Center PC. Who doesn't copy?? I also don't find Mac any easier to use but rather hard to customize. It may be good for those who is always satisifed with the machine out-of-box.
Different users need dif

User Rating: 9/10

Wait til the 2nd half of 2006by E=MC^2 - October 17, 2005

Pros: Clean Look, Easier to find files, 3D windows and mini applications

Cons: Some minor things

Review: Windows Vista is going to be great. It has so many new features which are totally new compare to the previous versions. It?s really easy to find your files. For instance, you can assign keyword for files. So it?s very easy to streamline, manage and find files on the PC. If you know little bit about the file, you can find it.
Microsoft is coming up with new look. Windows are transparent, like a glass. It helps you to focus on the content of the window. There are so many great things about this OS. Microsoft will offer support for auxiliary display. For instance, suppose on your laptop you want to see your new email messages, contacts, buddy list and other basic information, without turning on the laptop. Manufacturer will offer auxiliary display on the laptops and the desktops, so the users can get the essential daily information without turning on everything. If you are looking to buy a PC, I?ll recommend wait til second half of 2006. It will be the best time to buy a computer. Today?s hardware and especially the CPU?s are getting better and better such as, Pentium D dual-core processors. But the Microsoft OS Windows XP which was release in 2001 is kind of old for new hardware.
For more information about Windows Vista please visit this URL http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/organization.mspx

User Rating: 10/10

Dont write a review until you've reviewed it!by Bobman - October 17, 2005

Pros: Lots of new features on the way

Cons: Well, I can't really say since ITS NOT OUT YET!

Review: OK, people REALLY need to stop bashing products on C|Net before the product is even released! Its annoying how people just imply that they won't like it. Really, you people need to wait until you've reviewed the real thing before writing a review. I am giving it a "10" just to make up for at least one person who ahs given it a "1" withought actually using it(and no, beta 1 does NOT count; its a beta!).

User Rating: 5/10

The next gen of an error ridden OSby flashbanger - October 17, 2005

Pros: looks better

Cons: to many to name read on

Review: Ok guys have you seen the spec on what is needed to run this OS! min of 1 gig of ram, and 3.2 GHz processor. Come on that means all of you laptop users our of luck except for the select few. Also 7 different versions of Vista! WHAT A SCAM. Microsoft has been trailing in ingenuity for the longest time and are trying to introduce features that have been on Linux based OS's for quite some time now. Don't get me wrong I try to like Windows but it's so buggy and every time I turn around there?s an update to the immense amount of error ridden written code. The only upside to Windows is the amount of software available which I'm willing to bet software developers are not happy about the Vista format being almost completely incompatible with XP software.

User Rating: 10/10

You've got to be kidding meby flyingcowrancher - October 17, 2005

Pros: Will push hardware manufactures to new heights

Cons: Too many jealous haters who judge what they don't know.

Review: How does everyone already have an opinion of something that has not been released? Beta is a lot different from final. How can people say that the technology is years behind? Microsoft has not told what the technology is. Do you honestly think that microsoft has spent as much money on research and developement as NASA does on space shuttles, and years developing something that does not have a single innovative feature. You all complain that it is resource hungry, guess what thats a good thing! Remember when XP told us we needed 256mb of ram, that just made ram more available. Hardware will have to catch up to vista, thats makes them develope new technology which will make what is high end right now more affordable. Gaming will be taken to a new level. Vista won't require such high end, but to take full advantage of some of the features requires more technology. It has the glass window feature which sound awsome if you ask me, I can do a similar trick when I enable my nvidia SLI cards so I have 1024megs of video ram but it won't work without it. Basically, guys give me a break and wait to bash it until it is realeasd. Its true that apple has some great features, I use my mac for final cut pro, and its very decent. It only seems like they are more innovative because they come out with a new product every ten seconds. We are on the 6th version of itunes in what 4 or 5 years? They jump to, Microsoft takes their time, does a complete re-build and runs over the top tests before they release something. Change is scary but it can be a good thing. Give it a chance, you might be amazed. Remember how great it was upgrading from 98 or ME to XP? Could be the same thing. You are right that new does not always equal better, but in the world of technology, new usually does. Everyone loves to bash a winner, maybe your jealous you didn't get on that ms train to millions of dollars? If apple was clearly the better choice why do they only have a 10 or so percent market share? If microsoft is so bad, why do they have 50 billion in the bank? Moral of the story, lets wait until we try it to bash it... Its more fun to bash something when we have real evidence.

User Rating: 2/10

Not Impressedby dma315 - October 17, 2005

Pros: New Look???

Cons: Failure to Improve

Review: Anybody ever heard of Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger???

Concerns with Windows...

Appearance - I have always liked to judge the looks of an operating system. I would like to point out that Vista's new look looks a bit more impressive than previous editions of Windows OSes, but it does not come close to matching the visual masterpiece that is Mac OSX's Tiger.

MORE IMPORTANT - Security - one of the most important aspects of an operating system is its ability to keep the computer safe. In recent stories, it is said that a beta of "Longhorn" accidentally surfaced. Microsoft claimed that Longhorn, the codename, would put a stop to all viruses on Windows OS computers. The story also says that the Longhorn OS was immediately and easily penetrated and stood no chance against incoming viruses. Although it is a beta, a first impression on users is very important. Also, how good is Microsoft at being secure when an illegal version has leaked out so eaisly.

Hardware Requirements - The hardware requirements for Vista are absurd. Its recommending 1GB of RAM and much faster processor (2.???GhZ compared to 1.3ish in XP)

Outdated - Windows Vista would have been top of the line in 2003 maybe, but in the later half of 2006, it is just too late and weak compared to MacOSX. Tiger has been released and has thrived and a newer version 10.5 will be released in the next year, possibly near the time that Vista comes out.

Windows Vista is simply not up to the standards of a smooth, visual, secure, and idiot-proof operating system and will probably need severe upgrades to even put it in the same sentence at MacOSX 10.4 Tiger.

User Rating: 7/10

Mix of OS is Greatby charles117 - October 17, 2005

Pros: Maybe better than xp

Cons: Try it or not

Review: I think Vista would overwhelm Windows XP. I think Windows XP was better than any OS I have ever used. I would buy Vista the day it would come out. To me Vista is a mixture of Windows XP and Mac OS X. Some people says its just a copy of Mac but to me mixture makes the computer nice. Which is better, Just Mac OS X Tiger or Mac OS X Tiger and Windows XP. The other nice things are that it would be high security and the new Internet Explorer. Again the copy of firefox. I am impressed about the appearance of Windows Vista.

I am looking forward to buy it!!!

User Rating: 8/10

A promising start to take back the lead...by jasonbeckett - October 17, 2005

Pros: Taking some of the best ideas from the new APPLE OS, Microsoft is making a strong play for the elegent OS that Apple has dominated of late.

Cons: Not enough changes where it counts,(i.e. the graphic interface).

Review: Microsoft has some major catch-up to do. Apple blasted ahead of the pack with the latest incarnation of OSX and with the TIGER upgrade Microsoft is scrambling to get the upper hand. As it is, Apple is pulling more and more PC users to the MAC platform with simple aesthetics and intuitive interfaces.

While the truth remains, you get more for your money in PC, Apple has been making gains in the idea that "you get what you pay for." The security plagued Windows OS has been too slow to react to changes in the industry and is losing the design battle as well.

I rate the VISTA beta high because I see some potential to make a drive for the lead once again. Even the new IE Explorer shows that Microsoft has heard the suggestions of the commoners and is making the appropriate changes (could we be seeing active desktop widgets next?)

When it boils down, Microsoft is playing a catch-up game to beat Apple at their own game. But that being said, Apple is the graphical interface winner. To make real headway, Microsoft has to do more than update the security issues in the OS, they need to change the way people feel when they look at Windows. Apple is elegant and intuitive...Windows...not so much.

My fingers are crossed that as the latest builds are released we can see that VISTA is a true competitor for the OS King. In then end, VISTA will be the determining factor of my staying with WINDOWS as my primary PC or if I will make the final conversion to MAC.

User Rating: 1/10

Windows causes brain tumersby a37dragonman - October 17, 2005

Pros: compatibility with small programs.

Cons: EVERYTHING ELSE

Review: Macs will make you happier. Just say no to MS

User Rating: 5/10

Microsoft is finally learning.by treebark - October 17, 2005

Pros: Nice new interface

Cons: Too much like the previous version

Review: Microsoft, in my opinion can learn a lot from apple. As it turns out instead of learning this time, they've reverted to copying from the looks of it. I mean, they've added a silver GUI and a new hardrive search just like Mac OS 10.4. The editor's review stated that they saw a significant improvement improvement in their test computer's hibernation mode while running vista . Again just like apple. However you have to give microsoft some credit because they've improved the OS functionality significantly, but unfortunately microsoft will likely have kept sooe of the old features that they had in windows 95 on up to xp. All in all, vista looks like a supped-up look alike copy of Mac OS 10.4 and XP put togethr for microsoft's ultimate goal, making money.

User Rating: 3/10

still sounds like boring windows with no excitementby retroguy013 - October 17, 2005

Pros: looks better and promises better security

Cons: most new features have been on macintosh for how long now?

Review: i'll give windows credit for producing a more promising os from what it sounds like. it may be new for windows but all of these new feautures have been on os x for quite some time now and there is nothing to be excited about it to me sounds like a boring wannabe mac/linux. they should really make drastic change to the overall look of windows o just make it as virus proof as mac and linux.

User Rating: 1/10

Hey! Let's pay $300 for something that Mac and Linux users have had for years!!by wassupwasabi3000 - October 17, 2005

Pros: umm... it'll have solitaire and minesweeper

Cons: it's from M$, a company with a history of making buggy, unstable crap

Review: I am still waiting for Microsoft to release a good, working OS. This does not appear to be it. I have nothing personal against the company or Bill Gates. However, I am extremely mad at the fact that they are able to release the same product again and again, and everybody buys it, simply becasue they have a monopoly over most home computers. And now, they are giving us what Linux and Mac users have had for years. Except, since it is from Microsoft, you can be sure it will be less reliable and less secure. Personally, I am on my last straw. If Vista does to my PC what XP (home and pro), 98, and 95 have done, I'm jumping ship and buying a Mac. No, really, I love it when, for no reason, I wake up one morning only to find out that my entire hard drive has crashed and I've lost all my music and documents. And it's great that, last week alone, I was attacked by 70,000 viruses (thank god for my free Norton trial.) In fact, I think that it's probably safer to use Win95-98 now that they aren't supported my M$. A whole lotta good they've done in "supporting" my current computer.

User Rating: 9/10

Well need, well deserved improvementsby rpd444 - October 17, 2005

Pros: Intuitive advances in file organization, and better graphics

Cons: ....not sure...waiting to see...

Review: Vista is a welcome advancement for the Windows family of OS. It seems from the breif video that we could see, that Windows will have some handy new tools that will make navigating the system much easier (and faster).
As to all the Mac-aniacs out there...get over yourselves!!! Jeez...Owning a Mac today (other than iPods, I firmly believe iPods are superior) seems to give their owners some club card into the "cool computing" club. I was curious over the weekend about the Mac and I messed around on the Brother-in-laws G4 notebook. I did not see anything (other than the cool interface) that blew Windows away.
Certainly there are some inovations (which I think Vista replicates more or less) that give Mac OS a slight edge over Windows, but over all I'm not convinced that Macs are superior in any way than Windows based systems.
Don't get me wrong, Macs aren't bad...I just think that they are often billed as the greatest machines around when in reality it is the opposite of the old saying "don't judge a book by its cover" (people judge Macs by their cover and because they look cooler than most PCs, therefore they are better). I can't wait to see what happens to Macs when Steve Jobs retires and all the fancy covers come off...have to wait and see I guess.

User Rating: 9/10

its the stupid user's fault, not MS'by ComputerMaster - October 14, 2005

Pros: many things that normal users don't use. except the new search.

Cons: need to have a good/fast PC to run it smooth, should be more modern looking

Review: Whats up with all the things against MS and specially IE?
I mean when has a security hole actually affected you (more than 1 or maybe 2 times?)
If you are like my clients which are idiots when it comes to PC's and click YES on all the frigin popups that appear telling you its gonna install a "system optimzer" or an atomic clock synchronizer or whatever all the crapload of thigs some company's invent then its YOUR problem for being such an idiot (i'm not saying you do or you are)
I dont have either an AV or a firewall(except for windows firewall, MS Antispyware, and my router's firewall) installed on my PC's and until now i have NEVER ever had a problem with it and it runs as smooth as the first time i used it.
And i know im not infected.. just look at yoour msconfig startup programs or the processes you are currently running and you can get an idea if your computer is clean

And if you have ever been affected by any security hole IE or microsoft has had( i was by MSBlaster only), then think about it, who do you think will spend their time on finidng a hole in a Mac's OS and code a worm so that probably 50 computers ( it could even be called a coincidence for a MAC worm to actually generate an IP of a MAC computer) out of the 4% of the computer OS market share get infected?. Ok maybe not 4%... but 3%.

User Rating: 4/10

Wow! It only took them 5 years!!by peestandingup - October 6, 2005

Pros: Better looking

Cons: Same old Windows

Review: Why do some seemingly bright & intelligent people still use Windows? Im not trying to start a war here but its seriously flawed in many ways & everyone knows it. And a company like Microsoft doesnt seem too concerned with those flaws seeing that they never update this OS. It really says something about a company that has the number one OS out there with so many users & they dont maintain it & take care of their customers. Its a slap in the face for all Windows users & I just think its a shame.

5 years is a lifetime in the computer world. What have they been doing in all this time? Not much except giving its users a rehashed OS with a couple new tricks, although I will hold off too much judgement until final release. Meanwhile Apple releases updated versions of its OS every month with a major update every year. You tell me, which sounds like the better company who actually cares about its users?

Im not tooting the Mac OS horn here because no OS is perfect, but I dare you to try & find a Mac user thats unhappy. The reason Mac people are "mac freaks" is because we have all been down that frustrating Windows road & have found something that is soo much better & we just want people to not be afraid of change & know they have a choice.

Because frankly, every "switcher" I know felt like a sucker for having used Windows for soo long.

User Rating: 8/10

Same as XP, but things are in new placesby vze4z7nx - October 5, 2005

Pros: New Search bar, look is more attractive

Cons: Same as XP basically

Review: Vista is basically the same as Xp and I would not consider upgrading even if the upgrade cost like $50. All you get is the search bar in the start menu (before it was harder to find) and everyhting else is basically the same. Microsoft should consider making Vista more powerful rather than making it look more attractive. I mean the icons on the pictures was a good idea but who cares about little icons like that? What people want is the ability for more control over their computer and to have an OS that makes their computer run faster while protecting it. I would only upgrade if it cost like $20. It's really a rip-off if it costs moer than $50.

User Rating: 9/10

If you dont like it, dont use it.by tech_method - October 3, 2005

Pros: Great Graphics, nice features.

Cons: A spotty system requirement

Review: Anything to do with microsft, there is always a group out there to bash it. Every software company steals from somebody. Linux borrows from Unix. Mac Os X borrows from Linux and Microsoft borrows from others and makes the most money doing it. Oh yeah and if the anti-microsft people dont like Vista, here is a helpful advice dont use it (how smart is that). Vista is a major improvement for Microsft so far and a think they are heading in the right direction. I guest we will all have to wait and see.

User Rating: 5/10

Hey, it's Mac OS X 4.x under the Microsoft name!by dmu - September 16, 2005

Pros: Great interface and interaction with users

Cons: Seen it and Done it.

Review: If you want to see Windows Vista . . .

1. Go to Apple's web site.
2. Buy a Mac.
3. Make sure it has Tiger on it.
4. Get Windows Vista today.

Enough said.

User Rating: 7/10

Unknown Future....by GoldenSilver - September 15, 2005

Pros: Looks like a pretty XP

Cons: Look like its going to be an ME? Who know's......

Review: I think Microsoft is hiding something. Five years of taking an Apple bashing and they bring out this, I think they have something up their sleaves. Look what they did with ME not 6 month after they drop it XP hit the stores replacing everything. But the difference between Vista and ME I think is going to be support. I think Microsoft is going to try and make something happen with this OS until they pull that rabbit out of their a.. like they did with XP. Remember this is just a 32bit system its not even using their new file system why becuase they're holding it off for what's really right around the corner, their true 64bit version of Windows. Why would microsoft foolishly bring out a 32bit system stripped of all the goods if that's not their M.O. They can care less about the Mac, why cause Mac's will always cost too much for the average user, and who would want to spend $500 for a strip down MacMini that'll be like buying an AOL brand PC, ludicrous. I give it a 7 because I dont really know what to expect from this OS, but I'm not going to lie to myself and say I'm not going to use it. I may not use it the first time it comes out becuase I love my XP. But I know this I will be using it sooner or later, and when I upgrade my parts in my old PC to 64 bit I'll using Microsoft new 64bit OS too.

User Rating: 4/10

To bad that Apple has relased an OS with all of these featuresby helmsb - September 14, 2005

Pros: Better than other versions of Windows

Cons: MS is still not learning from their mistakes

Review: It looks nice but that will probably mean that none of my current hardware will be able to support it. Also I will probably end up paying $250.00 for it. I have a Mac that has all of the same features and it runnning perfectly smoothly on a 3 year old PowerMac G3. By the time it comes out it will be outdated

User Rating: 5/10

Just Keep on talkingby Marklar - September 14, 2005

Pros: Looks pretty slick.

Cons: Costs too much in hardware upgrade

Review: Warning: Long rant below

So many people here giving their opinions on this OS when they havent even tried it yet.. Or if they have then I'm sure most of them downloaded an illegal copy. Oh well...I'm gonna join in.

I'm not a beta tester but I also dont think it's worth my time downloading (legally or illegally).

Why should I upgrade? I have Windows XP, which is so much better than Windows 98. When I was on Windows 98 reformatting and reinstalling were a 6 month routine task. Thank goodness XP came along (actually XP seems to be just a prettier version of 2000).

Now since the release of SP2 I have only reformatted once and it was my fault not the Operating system. I've been running very well with no problems with SP2. Only thing I've noticed is slower shutdowns.

It's about time we were taken off of the 9x kernel and put on something stable with 2000/XP.

I just upgraded to a larger harddrive and 512 MB RAM a few months ago so I could play Unreal Tournament 2004. Now you're telling me that I have to once again double that, maybe quadruple, so I can run an Operating System? No thanks. Give me one good reason as to why I should choose Vista over XP.

I have everything I need. A handful of good games, some of which are old and run alot better on 98 but I can deal with that. I have Dreamweaver, Apache webserver for testing php/msyql stuff, IE, Firefox, instant messaging, e-mail, Windows Media Player, Nero, Winamp... Starting to get the picture? It's not the OS that's keeping me productive. It's the software on it.

So who cares of it's going to have a "glassy" appearance with translucent effects. Is that worth $200 in software and close the same in hardware upgrades? Let's not forget we will have 7 different flavors to choose from. *** is Windows Vista Home Premium?

At first the only reason I saw to upgrade would have been the WinFS.. Now it's only going to come out as an Upgrade about a year later?

All this talk about Windows Vista will open the doors for Linux and Mac. Well I have to disagree. Well maybe Linux. Macs are still expensive so dont expect anyone running to the Mac unless Apple lowers their prices.

As for linux, I have tried a few distrobutions but how much software do you see on the shelf with the "Made for Debian" badge printed on the front of the box?

I suspect most people will hold off the upgrade and will ask the same questions I have asked in this little opinion of mine.

The most unfortunate thing is, I'm a computer technician and I have to keep up with my customers and I will eventually have to get me a copy of this beast. Anyone who looks to buy a new PC after the relase of Vista will most likely get a Dell/Compaq/HP loaded with Windows Vista Home (or if their lucky they may get the coveted "Premium" edition). If I ever have to do any type of work on a machine I'm going to need to learn my way around it. And from what I can tell MS did a such a good job in taking away menus, changing the appearance, that I'm going to have do a bit of learning the system before I can start work.

Infact I cant wait until it's release and I hope its a huge embarrassment for Microsoft

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I was on a rant and my comment "It's about time we were moved off the 9x kernel"... was a bit of a stupid comment since 2000 and XP have been out for 4 or 5 years lol.

Anyway... Why Upgrade?

User Rating: 7/10

have test on Games Vistaby iccra - September 12, 2005

Pros: good cool iooking os

Cons: near end of next year

Review:

User Rating: 5/10

Slick Look, Slimmed Down Release, Obvioustly it's a Apple Flavored Windoze!by eye2fun - August 27, 2005

Pros: Looks Great, 64 bit, with a Simpler User Friendly Touch!

Cons: Not a ground up 64bit kernel! The Legasy Lives On! Not different enough from XP or NT roots!

Review: I'm checking out the Vista Beta! Impressed by look and feel of the system and some new programs and system tools. Improved search capabilities etc. But it seems like most tools are still borrowed or copied, like the look and feel that so much resembles Mac OS-10. Is this all 4 years of developement brings us? I hope not.

With computer wars going on right before our eyes, will Vista be enough? Will it run on both IBM PowerPC and x86 machines? Well it's going to need to eventually and some form of Vista or other OS is powering their new game box. We know Sony, NEC and Toshiba playing with with PowerPC processors, maybe even Dell and HP. Will some form of Vista be competing against Mac OS-10 flavor of the month on everything new in computers? What's going to happen to all the old WinBoxes out there? Stuck with WinXP? Will Stevie (Fanboy) Jobs be able to quit pouting long enough to license out his "Soon to be Converted" x86 OS to other computer manufacturers and for use on all x86 machines? I mean we'll soon have "Apple Mac Intels" and probably "Sony PowerPCs" (eventually). We're talking major shakeup. I hope Microsoft has been engineering a better 64bit OS to run these future machines, because "Vista" won't do it against the ever improving flavors of Mac OS-10 coming out! You can gift wrap an inferior product with pretty paper, but in the end you still have "Winblows". And that "S#*ks"!

Lots of fresh faces at Microsoft going a different direction with new ideas and technology. Yes, I'm talking Xbox 360 (PowerPC risc proc)! Now Sony says, "They couldn't wait 25 years for the technology leap to power their game box. Will the "Cell" processor be running more than a game box for Sony? I think so. How about Microsofts game box. What form of "Vista or beyond" will be running on it? Obviously they have done some OS tinkering, no doubt some code swapping with "Vista". But is that all? Something (not Vista)has been keeping their code slaves and wariors busy. Fresh blood brings inovation hopefully some of that fresh blood is being put into a trully new Microsoft OS (release date to be announced).

Both companies and their leaders past up on buying the only ground up built 64bit Media OS ever built, that was "BeOS"! The kernel alone was worth alot more than "Palm" paid for the whole company and it ran on both processor achitectures. Today with all the extreme changes taking place, that kind of design work is priceless. What a shame it went to waste. It would have been a good base to build a better Vista on.

I still use "BeOS" and even though it's developement stopped. I still appreciate the ease, speed, and feel of that system and it compares to OS-10 (but the "BeOS" kernel was better than FreeBSD one Apple used). But that's all behind us, and it now looks like we may have better competion (from Apple) to fuel Microsoft into true inovation. Hopefully we will all be as pleasantly surprised by "Vista" as we will be, with the "New Xbox 360" coming out of Microsoft in November! Fresh and very powerful, if they can match this nice bit of engineering with a better O.S. release than the way Vista looks now, I'll buy it.

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OK I have been using all of these Operating System and I do have Windows Vista Beta 2 upgraded from Beta 1! (be prepared for a very long install, about as long as Suse Linux or Red Hat Fedora!)

I also run Mac OS-X Tiger on a G-5 Mac! Along with that of course I have two other computers running many flavors of Linux and Windows 98 and XP SP2 in multi boot!

Each has it's unique problems and benefits! Normally Linux is a b**ch setting up until more recently with distros (flavors) like Ubuntu, Mepis, or my now all time favorite "PCLinux"! Up and running with all drivers and programs in under 20 to 30 minutes!

No Windows install is as fast, simple, and includes everything you need to surf the net, edit pictures and videos of all types, do Office Work, and look as beautiful out of the box with all the features! Granted Vista has lots of new super "Eye Candy", but even that is now being overshadowed by an OpenGL add-on desktop manager, called "Compiz with XGL" (similiar to "Aeroglass" or Java "Looking Glass"! Your Desktop simply comes alive with 3-D effects and ease of use! Impossible to decribe! Incredible! ! !

Security well as of right now it's a tie between Linux and OS-X! Ease of ownership and simplicity, well Mac OS-X takes that one easily over all of them. But ole Steven Jobs is just as interested in minding your information and what you do as Microsoft with Windows it's Corporate Buddies! The new Intel Macs even have a Big Brother Intel Spy Chip right on board and plenty of DRM as well!

In this day and age Corporate Greed and Control are more of a threat than any Government! That's why anything I do on the internet, is on Open Source Linux (BTW OS-X came out as proprietary open source, but it's locked up so tight now, you need dynamite to open it up to just look at it)! ! !

Vista is even worse in this respect and in reality it is just XP re-arranged and infused with Corporate Spyware and the ability to switch features on and off remotely. The Security additions are for them not YOU or I!

As you use Vista or even the new Office Betas you get the distinct impression you're being animal trained with a "Carrot and a Whip"! Do something right, you get rewarded with Pleasurable Glitz! Do something wrong and the Glitz is gone and it returns you to Pre-98 Windows speed! It's flat out presented like drug eye candy to get and keep you addicted!

Futhermore it will have a class system built right into it! You'll have the "Dime Store" "Ford Pinto" version all the way up to the "Rolls Royce Limo" version! So for extra bucks or you padding their palm or Corporate Interest, you'll have less scrutiny and more glitz! So it's sort of like the Caste System in India. Won't be just Home and Pro Edition! For a price you'll be able to buy the Corporate big brother off or have the Glitzy Aeroglass stay on all the time and bypass the horse training! LOL

So longer story shorter! I'll take Open Source Linux! Not only because it'll look better, but because it will flat out be safer all the way around for "We the People"! I'll just leave the Corporate Ant Farm OSes for the rest of you morons!

User Rating: 5/10

AMAZINGLY STUPID OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!by TheRogu3Pen - August 24, 2005

Pros: Hey, It's a new version of Windows

Cons: It's only out in BETA and the Mac freaks are already bashing it.

Review: How can you even begin to rate Vista?
It's out in Beta TESTING!!!!!!
How many of you bashers have even used Vista? even seen it on a PC?

Go back to your "2% of the user base" Macintosh and wait for the final release before spewing again.

User Rating: 4/10

WHERE'S THE UPGRADE?by jimmyg1968 - August 22, 2005

Pros: IS THERE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH

Cons: MORE OF THE SAME

Review: It looks like XP with more detailed graphics. I don't search my hard drive too often so what else is there? In order to upgrade my OS I would have to upgrade my motherboard, cpu, RAM, and possibly video card. Maybe when it's time to upgrade my P4 3 Ghz I will upgrade the OS then. In the meantime, it doesn't offer enough for the common consumer.

User Rating: 7/10

Lets not judge it before we use itby 202567676114204908075970046337 - August 22, 2005

Pros: Have we even tried the finished product?

Cons: Once again, have we used finished product yet?

Review: Well first impressions are important and i guess visual scheme is alright, its not bad is it? some of these features probably are overhyped, but hey, arent most mac features too? none of us can say how good its gonna be when its shipped, but ive used windows for a long time and i believe that it hasnt failed me once in 9 years, ive never had a virus attack, my comp is fast, my documents organised, no spyware, so im no complaining, as for mac, i also own one, its basically the same, its no different, just different concept, i actually prefer 2 mice keys, and also the start bar, but i like both

User Rating: 3/10

even xp 64 kicks more ass than this beta...by nintool3369 - August 22, 2005

Pros: the graphical engine is probably the only pro

Cons: everything else from the look and feel ...and the confusing interface will be it's downfall for the common consumer

Review: if microsoft wants go take different specs n what not from linux and mac os', maybe they should think about making a microsoft os based on a linux kernel

User Rating: 6/10

Welcome to Windows 2005by SIRKGM14vg - August 17, 2005

Pros: Enhanced Security, New developer tools

Cons: Not all additions available at time of release, Same windows feel, Confusing Interface

Review: Hello, I am here to tell you all about Windows Vista. Now you might be wondering which operatin system do I favor, am I going to glorify one OS over the other, or whether I hate microsoft. I am here to review Windows Vista, and to make a few contrasts and comparisons.
Being a developer and implemetor for many types of systems I have discovered Microsoft's Windows Operating system to have one of the most simple GUI's out there. With it's ability to be customized and it's ultimate compatibility on many levels, Microsoft's product is winner. However, there are some short comings.
Windows Vista is a "little" better than XP in that it explains itself much better. From navigating through the menu's and usual stuff in windows. Even though I knew to "double-click" I found the icons confusing in that they feel more like a web interface rather than your usual Explorer icons. Organization of Icons is attempted but yet to fully functional. I noticed that I was able to recursively search through all my files on my computer with a simple Search Box located at the top. A feature prevailent in Apple's OS that is key for novice and advanced users alike.
Driver development is proceeding very well however those with older devices will be forced to upgrade to current devices with Windows Vista support. I found that 85% of drivers that are written for Windows XP work wit Vista, however some of them caused Vista to lock-up similar to the first release of Windows 98. "Uh-oh" you might add, but it is up to the Vendor of your devices to update their drivers to function correctly. Hopefully the release of Windows new API tool will allow faster development.
Adapting to Windows Vista will be simple. It will be just like the previous version with a new look. Not much functionality for novice users will be noticed. Certain background tasks will handled differently, but remember Microsoft cannot release it's software into it's OS enviroment like other OS's can. Users might be confused as to why they need a Media Player, Buisness productivity software and other usueful software after they have installed the operating system.
Overall I think this is a promising product for Microsoft but they will have to please many different types of computer users to be a popular operating system. A 32-Bit version will be available for those still on older 32-Bit systems, but to ensure better OS operating and security 64-Bit is recommened.

User Rating: 3/10

So far, just a rehash of XPby d3h872 - August 16, 2005

Pros: Still works

Cons: Very few functional interface enhancements

Review: I've played around with my copy of Vista for a few days now, and it feels about as impressive as skinning a browser. The ease of use has increased only slightly, and interface issues still abound. (Yes, you still go to the Start menu to shut down. Can you tell by my comments that I design interfaces for a living?) This is a fine upgrade for people who've been using Windows: they'll continue to use the same bad habits introduced to them long ago. It's prettier, yes -- looks more like the Mac OS at every turn. But it feels more like a ".x" upgrade than the breakthrough we've been expecting for oh-so-long.

User Rating: 8/10

I'm Impressedby sherrylwu - August 10, 2005

Pros: Completely revamped OS, 2000x times better than XP

Cons: Somewhat outdated compared to OS X Tiger , scroll bars are invisible (almost)

Review: This thing is great! I'm surprised that it looks so much better than XP. I really like the taskbar--it has the MCE effect. It skins all windows, even the "end task" windows; XP does not. There are also some minor UI tweaks that i appreciate, but the scroll bars camoflauge, so get a scroll mouse when using this! The virtual folders are neat, sort of like OS X's smart folders. I like the new folder view options, too. The icons are really cool, too.
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IE7: I like how MS completely redesigned the browser. It takes on the folders look in Vista~Longhorn. Microsoft realized that tabbed browsing is commonplace now, so it added that in. There's always a little tab next to the last tab to launch a new tab, which is really convenient. If you want to search Google instead of MSN, go to Google's website and click the link below the search bar.
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Overall, I think this has been the greatest release of Windows. It holds strong competition agains Mac OS X Tiger. When I go to college in 2010, I will get a computer based on marketshare, reliability, etc. What I mean is that it's the battle between Apple and MS...the one with the best OS will have its OS running on my computer in college. If MS keeps its head up like this, then i might buy a Windows desktop. If Apple breaks a window, then that will be my 2nd Apple computer.

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i installed MS Office 2003 on to my beta. Now Vista decided to reboot itself every 5 minutes. And it nearly fries my dell. I love it, but i can't stand using a computer that reboots itself in every 5 minutes. Guess my Mac mini comes to the rescue (i'm NOT using my dad's Mac Classic as my primary computer).

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On saturday i dual booted my dell with vista and xp. now vista wont work!!! xp works fine. is there any cause to this?

User Rating: 5/10

This could be greatby Adrian Hollister - August 8, 2005

Pros: Catching up with the competition for both UI and back end

Cons: Is this another painful Rip-and-Replace migration?

Review: It's just too early to tell if Vista is going to be a great leap from Windows XP SP2. From what I have read and seen, Microsoft are heavily leveling Vista with the competition. UI tweaks are straight from Mac OSX and back end tweaks are taken from Linux and Unix. If this all works (and it's too early in the beta to tell) then the resulting operating system will certainly be a step forward from XP.

How much of a step is a good question. Most organisations endured the 2000 to XP migration reluctantly. Most of them were forced to do the change to support 'improved' and 'more reliable' back-end products such as Active Directory, SQL, BizTalk, and even Office Suite 2003 etc. If they did not they would risk being unsupportable or realising only limited features from their huge investments.

And the route from 2000 to XP was not a good one. One can only be concerned that the installation of Vista is going to be another '2000 to XP', i.e. another of Microsoft's famous rip-and-replace upgrade strategies. I remember with nightmares the Exchange 5.5 to 2000/2003 migration route and in fact between any of the Microsoft products that I have used to date. Most have left me with sleepless nights, high levels of stress, and lots of lost data.

The thought of touching 10K desktops or similar to add search, better graphics, and a whole heap of likely help desk calls doesn't inspire me either. Vista will of course replace XP. By stealth it will work it's way into the desktop: new PC's will have it installed, all the latest Microsoft software will require it, and Intel's marketing team will want to sell you shiny new dual core processors to run it.

This is of course just a Beta and an early one at that, so I would hope that by the final product automated deployment will be an option (and not something that requires an exclusive proprietary Microsoft architecture). I would also hope that the final Vista product is more than a few UI tweaks and rewritten Linux code.

User Rating: 8/10

The new changes will help keep the operating system up-to-date with new technology.by JASON MAZON - August 7, 2005

Pros: Longhorn , Vista, Vishta, Mishta, it is still Windows and a lot of us will have to deal with it. Perhaps we love the flexibility that it provides.

Cons: Late, late, late,.....sang to the tune of "Jeremiah was a Bullfrog."

Review: If the coming additions to the operating system are implemented as Microsoft describes them, then we can say that the changes will be significant and up-to-date. They will address general computing demands which are indeed a little different from those for niche operating systems such as the new apple Unix/intel derivative and the traditional Unix operating systems.

If the inclusion of the WinFX technology keeps its promise of letting us build more secured, reliable, scalable, versionable, and more deployable applications then we can say that Microsoft efforts are commendable.

If the new Windows Communication Foundations are really going to provide a unified API for different classes of connected systems, then we can say that Microsoft efforts in keeping up with new demands in operating system technologies are commendable.

The problem is that we are dealing with Microsoft the keeper of the ?general computing faith? and at times this proves to be too much even for Redmond.

All in all, things look promising for the users of the Windows Operating System.
All this, barring the Mac-O-Phile Sheep Heads, mostly teenagers such as Kevshootz, who will hover over this reviews and give a silly rating of (1). Their only contribution: They will chant, recite, regurgitate their battle cry ?Get a Mac? or ?Windows Sucks? and then spew out some nonsense about this operating system which always shows that they have never touched this operating system. This operating system is not perfect, but you don?t need to have a fit of self-induced stupidity about it. Stop living in the past. Get a life. Find time to do some computing. It will be good for you, really.

I always hope to find new info about the subject from other reviewers but with so many Mac Sheep Heads hovering over these reviews it is hard get a realistic assessment of the impact that the beta try outs are having on different users. ? A Brain is a Terrible Thing to Waist.?

User Rating: 6/10

It doesn't seem that much different than XPby afireinside - August 7, 2005

Pros: Being able to search anywhere, new graphics, and hopefully better than XP

Cons: Not much is known about the new OS, so I can't really say, I just hope that it will be better than XP.

Review: It doesn't look much different than Xp to me. I'm sick of Xp, with all the stability problems, and small little quirks. I'm thinking of switching to mac, but I'm gonna wait and see if MS will get it right this time.

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Some of you guys that take the time to argue over an opinion, seriously need to get a life. There is more to life than argueing about what MS copied from Mac, and vise versa. It's pointless, I'm pretty sure that the majority of us haven't even touched the new MS Vista. All of you MS users: um, do you really think you have to defend MS so well? Especially if it's as great as you say it is? Mac users: Don't make quick judgements on the new OS from MS. Nobody knows if anything will change from now until the OS's release.

User Rating: 8/10

Very promisingby Kevin Baron - August 6, 2005

Pros: Feature rich and visually apealing

Cons: A bit worried about the end result living up to the hype.

Review: I seen alot about it and most of it i like. I will for be getting it(what choice do i have). This search feature is useless for me. I'm very organized and i would rarely if ever have a need to use a search feature. I know where all my stuff is, and i have several hundred gigs of stuff by the way. But if microsoft does it right, this OS could be a major step forward.

User Rating: 2/10

Garbage in disguiseby joe_infantry - August 6, 2005

Pros: will have catchy TV ads

Cons: delayed, rehashed win xp, recommended 4+ghz dual core cpu, 2 gigs ram, 1 terrabyte memory, high end video! Clearly 2 generations behind apple in OS development,most likely release date of 2007

Review: I'm a long time windows user. I use XP usually 10hrs a day 7 days a week. I had high hopes that Vista would be something worth waiting for, but I was dead wrong. It is a horrible attempt to emulate MacOSX resulting in quite possible the most bloated piece of software in the history of software. Yup, early specs suggest you will need over 4ghz dualcore cpu, 2gigs ram, high end video, and a terrabyte of disk. Ludicris. This week my XP began crashing randomly and having issues again. I usually have to do a big rebuild every 6-8 months just to keep XP happy, well forget it. As of last week after seeing what MS had on offer for the future, I switched to OSX Tiger and I have to say it is light years beyond anything Microsoft can play catch up to. You have two choices (1) a bloated copycat OS trying to emulate another OS (2) an OS that sets the benchmark. I am very pleased that I never have to use another Microsoft OS as long as I live. Vista is a mindblowing disaster for Microsoft, I do not see how they are going to recover from this.

User Rating: 3/10

it's pretty coolby stinkypete - August 4, 2005

Pros: user interface

Cons: not released yet

Review: i was not to impressed with the Vista software. Windows 3.1 works better. but this is what i get for buying my copy from a crack addict. i cannot wait for the finished version.

User Rating: 5/10

Nothing we haven't seen beforeby molsen420 - August 4, 2005

Pros: Slick new interface, actual picture of the file for icons, improved search capabilities

Cons: Unoriginal, No new File System, Name (Yuck),

Review: I've used both Vista (Beta) and Mac OS X Tiger. Let me first say that I'm a windows user who switched to Mac. I always really liked MS and Windows, but security threats and poor OS performance convinced me to switch to Mac. To tell you the truth I'm much happier using a Mac (Easer to use, faster, more responsive, smaller footprint). Also, I'm not going to compare Vista to Tiger, because they aren't meant to compete with one another. Leopard will compete with Vista. The only thing I'll say is that by the time MS gets Vista shipping Mac users will be moving on to the next level. With every Mac OS X upgrade huge improvements were maid. Leopard will be no exception, and I believe it will blow Vista out of the water.

Let me first tell you what I really like about Vista. The new interface is much better than anything they have had before. You actually see the file instead of an icon in explorer. This is a big time saver and much smarter than using a resource file for the job. The search feature is much better.

Now for the bad. Nothing in Vista looks original. They copied many interface designs from Apple. The search interface is a feeble attempt to copy Spotlight?s interface. No new File System! They really messed up on this one. Longhorn was going to be amazing cuz of the new file system. Now that it has been pulled you can expect XP's flaws to plague you in Vista. If the File System is the same, the OS will have to run extremely similar to the way XP runs. Now about the name. Vista? What were they thinking? This just sounds cold and uninviting and more importantly un-cool. Lets face it cool is the name of the game.

Have to wait to see if Vista really is a better OS than XP when it ships. By then I'll be running my copy on my Intel Mac. Who says you can't have it all?

User Rating: 6/10

yadolah karamiby yadolah - August 4, 2005

Pros: yadolah karami

Cons: yadolah karami

Review: yadolah karami

User Rating: 10/10

looks goodby johnpharvey - August 3, 2005

Pros: looks better than xp, runs on slow hardware

Cons: the name 'vista'

Review: having tried out the beta version, i'm now looking forward to getting vista. it seems to be more stable that xp, with nicer graphics (although i always use windows classic view anyway), and ran fine on a 450MHz processor with 384Mb RAM. the problem i foresee with it is the name 'vista': microsoft would have done far better to leave it at 'longhorn', which everyone found cool. but the name doesnt matter, and it looks to be a very good operating system.

User Rating: 5/10

Worth an Upgrade?by cyclist_guy - August 3, 2005

Pros: New graphics engine, search features

Cons: No dramatic improvements

Review: From what I've seen so far, there doesn't seem to be any spectacular improvements. And lets face it, how much more computing power does a home user require? Internet, e-mail, word processing all runs fine on a Pentium III with win98 or 2000.

In addition, it seems that microsoft has "borrowed" from others - in particular Apple. I use a PC, but Mac is looking better and better all the time.

User Rating: 5/10

Where are the improvementsby andboo1 - August 3, 2005

Pros: Everyone runs windows

Cons: Nothing new for power users

Review: Who really cares if you can search everywhere. I don't. If I can't find something on my own machine, then I consider myself incompetent. These upgrades are just like XP. All show, no go. The only thing I'm looking forward to is the new graphics engine and hopefully better system management.

User Rating: 8/10

From A Mac Userby daplacidone - August 2, 2005

Pros: Visually Appealing, New features, desktop search

Cons: No New File System

Review: I am a mac user that hates wining mac users that hate everything microsoft... Quit wining and use your mac already.

If this os is not a resource hog i might convert back... stabilty aside most mac apps are not as good as the same ones built for pc.......never leave mac altogether but might make me get a high powered laptop cheaper than a powerbook

It looks nothing like tiger

User Rating: 9/10

Microsoft Rocksby saurp7 - August 2, 2005

Pros: Great Graphics

Cons: Too Early to Comment

Review: This really is THE thing by Microsoft. Kudos to Microsoft for Vista. And stop crobbing about Microsoft no being good all you loosers.

User Rating: 7/10

Get off of Microsoft's backby reustmd - August 2, 2005

Pros: Graphics, features, security, load time

Cons: don't complain till it goes Gold

Review: First of all, stop complaining about how long Microsoft has been working on this. Remember a few years ago when everyone complained about security? Microsoft responded by switching a majority of it's engineers from Longhorn to security programming. Only since the release of SP2 has Longhorn picked up priority points. For those that paid attention Microsoft said this wouldn't have much new functionality. It was just a beta release meant to show the new look, so developers could get a feel for developing in it. So just relax and be patient.

Yes Microsoft has stolen some of Apple's ideas, but they're not exactly revolutionary ideas...better graphics, better searching, etc... those are given things that operating systems should always be upgrading. Let's think about Apple switching to x86, moving past their stubborn 1 button mouse, etc... Companies steal other companies ideas, DEAL WITH IT!

Now for the name, Windows Vista, I don't see what's so bad about it. How about you find something wothwhile to complain about other than the name for the program, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Nothing personal, but naming every OS update after a jungle animal isn't exactly revolutionary creative thinking either.

I think Windows Vista has a lot of potential and people need to get off of Microsoft's back. I am a software engineer with plenty of IT experience and I like Windows and OS X both. You can easily embrace both sides of this stupid feud created by bored geeks world wide. So please, just chill.

User Rating: 2/10

Sound like Mac OSX Tiger?by Themorioles - August 2, 2005

Pros: Its progress, good features I assume, but nothing more than what Apple already has

Cons: Apple already has a WORKING version of this OS called Tiger! When wil people learn to switch to Mac??? (Read extended review for why Vista will struggle)

Review: Although I have not read up on the different plans betwen Vista and Longhorn, I assume Microsoft realized that they were not going to live up to the hype of Longhorn, so they changed the name.

I assume that Vista will be a switch to a UNIX operating system (as planned with Longhorn). Apple already went through this transition. Becuase of the different background software, old Windows apps will not work properly with Vista, so you will need ALL new apps! It took Apple 2 to 3 tries before they got out all the bugs, I cant imagine what will happen with Windows!

Windows is SHOULD crash, although they have enough users that it might not make a difference. Microsoft is YEARS behind other OS's like Mac OSX 10.4 and Linux. They are selling an old product with bugs (dont expect the beta version to eliminate every problem). Google is now starting to do research on a desktop search which will change the way computers work.

Watch out Microsoft, if you don't be careful, sooner or later people will realize what a weak OS Windows is!

User Rating: 4/10

XP with a faceliftby - August 2, 2005

Pros: Color scheme/new Bliss backdrop, Easier install (especially partitioning)

Cons: Same old OS with more clutter, desktop search is not "live" (ie Spotlight), 2GB install

Review: As a Mac tech in a PC environment, I get my good share of both OSes all in a day's work. I prefer Mac OS X Tiger on my desk for about 90% of my work.

We got the Vista Beta (still can't figure out why they used this name) same day, burned it and installed it. Gotta say that myself and my 6 Mac-hating PC coworkers were all pretty unimpressed. Played with it for about an hour and realized it's basically...XP with a new skin. With 4 years of dev and another 1 year to go...we expected to see anything revolutionary. Heck, my dock in Tiger is still cooler, and something that Vista can't/won't do inherently in the OS.

Not to mention the 1.5 hour install on a 3ghz/1 gb RAM machine....clean code??? I think not. If this rather dull Beta is just a beta (at 2GB), I can't wait to see how bloated the release is.

As for the copying issue...sure MS is using Apple's innovation - Apple beats em to it every release. One wonders why MS can't copy the useful stuff in a useful way (desktop search, graphics that don't take a top end video card, etc.).

Overall...I wouldn't say disappointed by the new OS, but with 5 years, billions of dollors, and a darn good example to copy...you'd think they coulda kicked it up a notch.

User Rating: 5/10

Do The editor knows what he is talking about?by m00 - August 2, 2005

Pros: STILL BETA 1, UNKNOWN

Cons: STILL BETA 1 , UNKNOWN

Review: "Borrowing from Linux, Windows Vista runs all users at a Standard user level and creates a separate Administrator login"

what the??, I have been using 'LIMITED' user account since my NT 3.51 days, all of suddent, this is a 'NEW' thing now? and this is 'borrowing from Linux'? hello?

By the way, it is NOT called 'Standard' user account, it is called *LIMITED* user account.

I am not come here to say if VISTA is better or worse than other OS, just that the editor or whoever write this 'REVIEW' thing (..uh.. review on a Beta.. LMAO) clearly doesn't know a thing.

User Rating: 10/10

Another OS to be used by Millionsby harryzw - August 2, 2005

Pros: Microsoft ease of use

Cons: Inherent security problems

Review: i see the Apple fanboys are out, ranting about how Apple already has a 64 bit OS, how great Tiger is, etc. the fact is that just becuase you are first, you are not automatically best. you think becuase some things look similar to Tiger that what? Microsoft is trying to copy them? Please - i'm sure this OS is going to be light years ahead of XPsp2 in terms of performance, security, tweaking, customizing, etc. only time will tell for sure, don't bash something just becuase you don't use it or like whats available now. grow up

User Rating: 10/10

Excellent for a beta! Better than Tiger Already!by - August 2, 2005

Pros: Fast, stable, smooth, pretty....

Cons: None Really...

Review: Ok, since all the mac users are bashing Vista, which is already better than MacOS even tho its still in beta, i figured i would post the truth. Vista is the future, and there is no denying it. I mean, Apple ripped off alot of features from Vista (then longhorn) and slapped them together in an update named tiger...

User Rating: 3/10

A Rip off of Mac OS X!!!by Ilyasaber14 - July 31, 2005

Pros: Design is better than before.

Cons: Once again, the disign is quite similar to the mac OS

Review:

User Rating: 10/10

Windows Vista will go all the way!by JoshHendo - July 31, 2005

Pros: Will support all software, Will snap macs.etc.etc

Cons: Man i can't see any thing wrong with vista, though i could write 100 cons for macs

Review: This will snap macs...... that is all i havbe to say

User Rating: 1/10

The interface and features are not as good as Mac OSby Techrv - July 30, 2005

Pros: --- can't think of one

Cons: bad interface

Review:

User Rating: 10/10

Windows Vista Will Ruleby hornykerr - July 30, 2005

Pros: Its Windows!!!!!

Cons: Trademarking the name!!!!!

Review:

User Rating: 2/10

Astalavista baby...by SuVoRoV - July 29, 2005

Pros: Modern skin, will make people change to other OSes

Cons: Is still called Windows, Outdated ,a pc health risk

Review: This actualy looks like good news, maybe finaly after 3 strikes people will switch to other OSes like Linux and OS-X. Why? because they are open source and that = more stable, idiot proof, fun to use, more powerfull and fast. I will probably be flamed so im ready for this, but listen guy's the only reason so many people use Windoooz is because they are afraid of a chenge, a lot tried Linux and freaked out in about a week since they still didnt understand how to get to the control panel and installing a program and fining that mythic thing calle the Karnel. Thats ok switching to a different OS is like quiting smoking you need some help and a lot of time and will. You ganna say that other OSes are for geeks and they suck, possibly if geeks are idiots (im sorry that there are people that not only use their PC to Chat on MSN)\. Some will also say that nothing is compatible with a non windooz machine, want to know why? Well its because Microsoft has more money and makes sure that it will stay that way, but if everyone goes away from tem you will see a miracle: everything will start working on a MAC and Linux ran PC's. Dev companies are not stupid they will develope for something that has the biggest share of the market. This is not propaganda its just a friendly advice, try a different Os for more then a month, get used to it and wait a bit, if more people will do the same in a matter of a year the virtual world would change.

User Rating: 4/10

Great Vaporware!by - July 29, 2005

Pros: Improvement over prior Windows versions?

Cons: Not available for sale, name, still not consumer-centric

Review: Since this software doesn't really exist for consumers it is hard to say if it is good or bad. My guess is that it will be better in some ways to XP, but that isn't saying that much. Most likely will start and stay behind Apple's innovation curve. Microsoft knows a lot about computers but little about the people who use them.

User Rating: 5/10

I can create Windows Vista at home using skinsby maxtor2002 - July 29, 2005

Pros: Virtual Folder, IE7

Cons: everything else

Review: I can create Windows Vista at home using skins, that all thats new,

Word of adivce dont keep your expectations too high

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both the OS are essentially the same,

Windows Vista = Windows XP SP3

User Rating: 8/10

Good stuff!by ruykava - July 29, 2005

Pros: virtual folders, security, "breadcrumbs view"

Cons: will take some getting used to interface changes

Review: finally, a fully up to date Windows OS. breadcrumbs view of folders is something really useful: you can see all the way to the root folder from your current folder, and navigate to any folder or subfolder all the way to the root with only two clicks -- sounds complicated, but a doodle to use.

virtual folders is awesome as well. this might be the first time i actually let Windows do the organising for me. And it's great that one can use the task pane to change criteria on the fly (seeing only files of particular types, or particular date ranges, etc).

As for charges of copying: well, everyone copies the best features of everyone else. Mac OS X has its fair share of ideas from Windows and other programs as well. Task-based Control Panel, for example. And Search has been around on the Microsoft side since MSN Desktop Search.

And surprisingly, it seems to be a very speedy performer as well. From what I can see, it's at least as fast as XP on the same machine. Very optimised.

Of course, this is just Beta 1, so it'd be interesting to see what new things will come up in Beta 2 -- THAT would really be something worth testing out!

User Rating: 10/10

The world's most widely used operating system is getting even betterby DeepBlueGlow - July 28, 2005

Pros: Microsoft is listening to customers and working seriously on reliability and security. Vista brings new workflow features to the shell, and is the ship vehicle for a number of new technologies.

Cons: It has been a long time since Microsoft released a desktop OS.

Review: This is just Beta 1 of the OS. By the time it ships, a lot would have changed in it. And it is not just about the OS. There are other technologies which use it as a ship vehicle, and the whole story from Microsoft includes servers, Media Centers, smart devices and Xbox. Windows client is just one piece of the puzzle. People swearing by MacOS should also realize that Apple still doesn't have the guts to make the OS open for the PC platform in general because they can't support the huge number of drivers required.

User Rating: 1/10

what a jokeby raviatm - July 28, 2005

Pros: there are none

Cons: not enough time or energy

Review: do you guys even read the article? most people are still using 98. if xp is that good then why not use it? vista has been 'hitting the shelves' for years. do yourself a favor and get a mac. it just works. i used to work for dell, and then i got a mac for my birthday. what a pleasant surprise. i have yet to have it crash or freeze. plus, you will soon be able to run osx on pcs.
probably before buena vista comes out. doesnt that name sound like a really bad apartment complex???

User Rating: 9/10

You people make me laugh...by jmanjohns2 - July 28, 2005

Pros: Its windows, everything works

Cons: Expensive, annoying licensing scheme, too many bashers

Review: Ok, first I want the Mac users to tell me why Mac OS is easier to use? To me it seems no more useful than windows. Also, everyone complains that MS copies, but so does everyone else. Where do you think apple got the idea for the ipod? They didn't come up with it themselves, thats for sure. For that matter, who came up with BIOS that ties the PC together? IBM, yet everyone copied that and no one is crying about that. Also, Mac OS is in reality a slow enterprise system. Vista has some pretty impressive technology. Another great microsoft feature is that in windows there is much more control over the OS than Mac OS.

User Rating: 3/10

4 Years and 1000's of developers = not muchby sean2078 - July 28, 2005

Pros: Breadcrumb address bar and .NET finally included

Cons: Right now, it looks pretty darn terrible, no WinFS, not easy to get Media Center Edition, no built in Anti-Virus, etc.

Review: Please note, this is just my opinion, but I am not impressed with "Vista". I realize that we are only at Beta 1, but from what I can tell, it seems like Vista will be like Windows ME was to Windows 98 (not drastically different).

Where is our long awaited WinFS? Where are things like built-in Anti-Virus and Media Center capabilities (for those who have TV tuner cards)? Why does starting IE and explorer take at least 1-2 seconds when it should be instant? From my point of view, we've been running windows for years and years, and it is still ridiculously difficult to network Windows, secure Windows, and have a normal day's work without memory problems or Explorer.exe crashing (and I run with 3gb of ram and a 3.2 Ghz dual CPU). I don't hear anything about fixing/including/or improving on these things. That's why for me, I see little value in Vista (at this point).

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Vista will somehow manage to be cool when the OS does finally come out. And thank goodness, they finally included .NET (after years of begging), but I would ask you to please not get caught up in the marketing hype and instead ask, "where is our money going?"

Also, I'm sorry but the name "Vista" is not a good name. The polls on this very site prove it. Personally, I think the name is fruity.

All in all, that's why I give Windows Vista 3 out of 10 stars.

Thanks for reading.

User Rating: 3/10

Still Light-years behindby tech_geek - July 28, 2005

Pros: runs programs for older MS OS's; better UI

Cons: still doesn't catch up to Mac OS X; terrible name

Review: After years of waiting, finally Microsoft will complete its next Operating System. Despite their seemingly unlimited resources, Microsoft took way too long to develop Windows Vista and it still looks as if Mac OS X is still far superior. Microsoft is planning to do in 2006 what Apple has been doing for years. I use both a Mac and a PC, and the Macintosh Operating System is easier and more fun to use and it is much more productive. It's also great for programming. Microsoft is adding features that Mac OS has had for such a long time, such as built-in desktop search. Also, what really ticks me off is that Microsoft planned to include all these great, revolutioanry new features like WinFS, the new file system, and it pulled it! WinFS, which was once one of the hallmarks of the next MS OS, is being deleted! I've had it with Microsoft- I'm going to Mac OS X for good.

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After years of waiting, finally Microsoft will complete its next Operating System. Despite their seemingly unlimited resources, Microsoft took way too long to develop Windows Vista and it still looks as if Mac OS X is still far superior. Microsoft is planning to do in 2006 what Apple has been doing for years. I use both a Mac and a PC, and the Macintosh Operating System is easier and more fun to use and it is much more productive. It's also great for programming. Microsoft is adding features that Mac OS has had for such a long time, such as built-in desktop search. Also, what really ticks me off is that Microsoft planned to include all these great, "revolutionary" new features like WinFS, the new file system, and it pulled it! WinFS, which was once one of the hallmarks of the next MS OS, is being deleted! The only thing that will make Windows Vista have an advantage over Mac OS X and Linux is that most software is written for Windows. Otherwise, Microsoft has been behind in development- Mac OS X already has features such as built-in desktop search, translucent windows graphics, and advanced picture organization that Microsoft is just adding now! Let's face it, Windows just is not on par with Mac in every way except for software compatibility. I've had it with Microsoft- I'm going to Mac OS X for good.

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Windows Vista looks like it will be a fantastic addition to the Windows line, especially in terms of its enhanced, appealing new graphical user interface. But lets face the facts--- one of the FIRST things said in the C|Net video is that Vista BORROWS from Apple Tiger OS!!! Everything that Microsoft will include in Vista are features that were almost entirely included in Mac OS X (tiger) for YEARS! Sure, the Vista OS looks fantastic-it looks to be just as aesthetically pleasing as Mac OS X- but all of those fantastic "new" features have already been in other operating systems, namely Mac.

Oh yeah, by the way, even though Vista looks fantastic graphically, it will take a gig of RAM and top line specs just to do it! The old performance hog is back in action!

User Rating: 3/10

Windows Vista is already outdatedby lakingsfn2004 - July 27, 2005

Pros: New OS, different looks and features

Cons: New OS, different looks and features. Security (or lack thereof)

Review: Almost everything that Microsoft is advertising Windows Vista to be able to do is ALREADY available from OS'es like Mac OS X and others. And seeing as how Vista won't be available until next year at the earliest I don't see how Microsoft is gaining any ground on anyone or being innovative as it always claims to be.

User Rating: 3/10

Security model still stinks!?by deecee - July 27, 2005

Pros: Windows is attempting to address the horriable security model

Cons: Not enough and still half baked security model

Review: Linux is not a champion for user level access and access restriction. Linux, Unix and back to the dates of VMS and many other multi-user OS of the 2-3 decades past have had user restriction and true logon/password user right restriction, Windows Vista from the description here to this date still does not have a login based security model built from the ground up like many of the Unix variants. Working with user access rights under win2000/xp was a huge pain and not a single windows user I am aware of use login to limit access to a local computer. Unless the entire architecture of windows logon/security/access changes, I don't see how Microsoft can claim to even catch up to the level of security and administrative control that had been enjoyed by Unix users for decades.

User Rating: 7/10

You should STILL wait for the first Service Pack!by DarkHawke - July 27, 2005

Pros: Sounds like it's borrowing the best from the rest in security and desktop searching; promised greater attention to clean code and stability on release.

Cons: Where's the beef, i.e. WinFS? MS is playing feature/security catch-up ball, and is there anything in this that really warrants a new "sur-name?"

Review: Taking Microsoft at its word is a dangerous thing, so grab many bags of rock salt before listening to their claims of cleaner and more stable code on release. The biggest problem is that they're just barely catching up to what Linux and OS X have been doing for months and years, and the good Lord only knows when the actual release will be. Perhaps given the infamy of previous releases, such an OS as this stripped-down version of the previously visionary Longhorn, whose chief virtue is parity with its competitors, is worthy of some hub-bub and a nifty new focus-group-approved sur-name. As far as I'm concerned, consider me a resident of Missouri. Nothing I've read makes me want to grab a copy of the beta, let alone putting in a pre-order for a release copy. XP is fine. Not wonderful, not horrific, just workable enough that I can get done the things I want to get done. Why would I want to spend around $100 to essentially get the same thing, again?

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